What is everyone thinking in reference to the Healthcare Reform Bill?
I've heard some really nasty stuff out there and am not sure what or who to beleive!
Art
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quote:Originally posted by dennisbrownjr:
Just another thought - The most important aspect of this reform is the public option. This happens to be the point of contention among opponents of the bill. What is wrong with the government providing more competition? Some assert that a public option will deteriorate the quality of care. I have a question for the opponents of a public option; the last time you mailed a letter, did you choose the public option?
quote:Originally posted by Old Glory:
(And you prefer the care they get?)
Yes, thank you. I was in the US Army and received very high quality care for my injuries, at least equal to what I have received in my civilian life. Do you have some experience with military health care that you haven't mentioned?
(It is disingenuous to suggest that the lack of preventative care results in Emergency Room visits. I doubt that is very often the case.)
Then why do you go to the doctor? Of course there are emergency reasons that people go to the emergency room, but where else can people with no insurance go for care? Of course they go to the emergency room.
(US mortality is more an inditement against our glutenous lifestyle than our medical care. What about quality of life?)
Perhaps, but you didn't explain infant mortality.
(How much of that is due to frivolous lawsuits and massive punitive damages?)
Very little actually. Let's start a new thread about tort reform, since it's about .001% (yes, 1 hundredth of 1%) of the cost of healthcare.
(Which is why virtually all innovation and advancements in Medical Science comes from here. Do the best and brightest choose to become Doctors everywhere else?)
I agree, there is no place where there are greater rewards for being in the medical field than here, but you know, I'm not willing to give up my money for someone else to become rich.
(Ever heard of tort reform?)
I have! see earlier response. According to the Department of Justice "the median inflation-adjusted award in all tort cases dropped 56.3% between 1992 and 2001 to $28,000." Seems like the problem is small and getting smaller.
(...In the UK, they have established the value of a human life at $45,000. Any care that is estimated to surpass that amount is denied.)
Simply untrue. Did you know that Steven Hawking was born, lives and works in the UK? How much do you think it costs to treat a man with ALS, diagnosed when he was 21, who is now 68 years old? I'm guessing more than $45k.
"<NHS> spokesman said: 'The NHS provides health services on the basis of clinical need - irrespective of age or ability to pay.'
She added: 'The NHS sees one million people every 36 hours and 93 per cent of patients rate their care as good or excellent."
(Did you get those numbers from FoxNews? By the way, I suggest you take the word "news" with a grain of salt when paired with Fox.)quote:Originally posted by Jrlz:
I believe our system needs fixing, but a government take over will not fix anything.
Two points to consider.
One
I have family that lives in Canada. They complain about long waits to see doctors and specialists. It can take months to get board approval to see an oncologist. Can you imagine being diagnosed with cancer and having to wait months to see an oncologist. It happens.
(We are NOT talking about Canada's Universal health care system - yet it is superior according to the World Health Organization to that of the US's. We are simply talking about giving people a another choice in insurance providers. Think of it more like if Humana went broke and the government bought them, and then turned them into a non-profit organization thus eliminating a great deal of the overhead costs. It makes sense to me.)
Two
People from other countries, providing they can afford it, choose to come to the U.S. for health care. Why would they do this if our system is so bad? For example: 5 year survival rates for all types of cancers in the U.S. are 66.3% (men) and 62.9% (women). European countries are: 47.3% (men) and 55.8% (women). Out of 100 men diagnosed with cancer in the U.S. 19 more will survive versus thier Europeon counterparts. I bet those 19 are glad they don't have socialized medicine.
quote:Originally posted by dennisbrownjr:(Did you get those numbers from FoxNews? By the way, I suggest you take the word "news" with a grain of salt when paired with Fox.)quote:Originally posted by Jrlz:
I believe our system needs fixing, but a government take over will not fix anything.
Two points to consider.
One
I have family that lives in Canada. They complain about long waits to see doctors and specialists. It can take months to get board approval to see an oncologist. Can you imagine being diagnosed with cancer and having to wait months to see an oncologist. It happens.
(We are NOT talking about Canada's Universal health care system - yet it is superior according to the World Health Organization to that of the US's. We are simply talking about giving people a another choice in insurance providers. Think of it more like if Humana went broke and the government bought them, and then turned them into a non-profit organization thus eliminating a great deal of the overhead costs. It makes sense to me.)
Two
People from other countries, providing they can afford it, choose to come to the U.S. for health care. Why would they do this if our system is so bad? For example: 5 year survival rates for all types of cancers in the U.S. are 66.3% (men) and 62.9% (women). European countries are: 47.3% (men) and 55.8% (women). Out of 100 men diagnosed with cancer in the U.S. 19 more will survive versus thier Europeon counterparts. I bet those 19 are glad they don't have socialized medicine.
quote:Originally posted by Neal:
SOURCE: Canadian Press
quote:(Did you get those numbers from FoxNews? By the way, I suggest you take the word "news" with a grain of salt when paired with Fox.)
quote:In the US, we pay twice as much per person for health care as the next country and three times as much as the third, while the quality of our care (lifespan, infant mortality, etc.) ranks us somewhere around number 40 worldwide.
quote:Originally posted by fisher:
First off we have the best healthcate in the world to begin with. Anybody who doesn't think so should travel abroad.
quote:Originally posted by CashGap:
We both know that our quality of care is exceptionally high, and that the distortions to our lifespan, infant mortality, etc. outcomes are social reflections, not reflections on our health case system... inarguably the world's finest.
quote:Originally posted by CashGap:
We both know that our quality of care is exceptionally high
quote:Originally posted by Jrlz:
By the way it is projected that Medicare will go broke by 2019 if no changes are made. (That info was from Fox News)
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