New Samsung 11 x 17" Colour MFPs due Oct 01 USA

Is there a price on this unit?

No idea of the price.

If it is anything like their other introductions they will be aggressive on the price...the real question will be CPC

I'm hearing this probably will not happen this year. I've been waiting for the Samsung A3's. Guess the waiting will continue

Comparing how Samsung took the consumer electronics industry by storm I am going out on a limb here to say that Samsung is going to take the American Market by Storm

I don't think you're going out on a limb, talk is they want to challenge the likes of Ricoh, Canon, Global and KM for dealers as a sole source line and not a secondary line. Was in Office Max today and saw four new products from Sammy on the low end, what out HP, Brother an Epson!

yeah Samsung owns 85% of the Korean Domestic market for Business Machines.

Its only a matter of time I guess

Our dealer rep from Sammy was in late last week to discuss what we need to be able to handle the 11 x 17 release. In Canada they say it will be a 35 and 45 B&W and a 25 and 35 colour. Part of what they see is the ability to bid for larger deals where there is a need for SOME 11 x 17 but they can still do large part of deal with A4 product. He said they expect it for first quarter 2011. They know they are going to be an also ran in some ways but if they get the CPC in line then we know they will be aggressive on the capital side. so far their service backup has been good...how many other brands pay you to do a support call in the first year while under warranty?

I know Oki used to do it when they first introduced thier MFP's

A look at the new Samsung 30 & 40 cpm Black only A3 copiers ... in Korean!

http://www.samsungb2b.co.kr/Pr...st.aspx?rCate2=PD030

Is there anybody who is going to pick up this line or may already have the Samsung line that would give us some input on what it's like to work with Samsung? Would it be worth having as a second line?

We have the Sammy line now, just for monochrome and no color. Kinda wish we had the color too, however Ricoh's new A4 color devices hit in December and maybe we'll have the best of both worlds.

BTW all of the Sammys are running well and generally no complaints here or from my customers.

We have carried the Samsung B&W and the colour as well. Price point is good and we actually find we can get better margins on most of their models. Technical backup has been great. We have little in the way of field issues so it will all come to price point and cost of operation.

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Originally posted by Art Post:
Kinda wish we had the color too, however Ricoh's new A4 color devices hit in December and maybe we'll have the best of both worlds.

I thought I read on this site that the release was for November, Wrong?

The ricoh A4's are slated for a December launch, however no product until Jan 2011.

This is about to get interesting for those of us who picked up a 2nd A4 line while Ricoh dragged their feet. Lexmark is due to release larger A4 color in January as well. Good times.

Yes, I agree, we only picked up the Sammies for monochrome no color, we've stuck with Ricoh for that. I just hoping Ricoh doesn't screw it up with higher cpp than the A3 color machines.....something is telling me that the A4 color will be higher, however I hope I'm wrong. If A4 color price is higher than A3 color, that leaves the door open for someone to develop a color A4 with A3 cpp pricing.

Until A4 starts to really take over in the U.S., my guess is that the manufacturers will produce higher CPP A4 devices so they do not negatively impact the number of more expensive A3 devices that are placed into higher volume environments. Once one manufacturer lowers the CPP for A4 devices, everyone else will follow suit.

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Originally posted by txeagle24:
Until A4 starts to really take over in the U.S., my guess is that the manufacturers will produce higher CPP A4 devices so they do not negatively impact the number of more expensive A3 devices that are placed into higher volume environments. Once one manufacturer lowers the CPP for A4 devices, everyone else will follow suit.

I agree, kudos to the manufacturer that breaks the pattern!

Does anyone who sells Samsung color devices have any experience with the CLX8540nd? We put one CLX8380nd in the field and wish we didn't, still having issues with it eating PCU's. Any input would be appreciated.

doesnt the sharp frontier series have color cpp right now that is close to a3 color? Seems to me like they're innovating faster and getting new features to market first and getting a share of the margins that come with that. I was really happy when c2050/2550 came to market and we had an edge for a moment, but think about it: print from smart card, free sharp desk seat, a4 color, segment 3's with single pass duplex scanning, pull out usb keyboard... Whats the value in ricoh dragging their feet with all of this?

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Originally posted by M138:
doesnt the sharp frontier series have color cpp right now that is close to a3 color? Seems to me like they're innovating faster and getting new features to market first and getting a share of the margins that come with that. I was really happy when c2050/2550 came to market and we had an edge for a moment, but think about it: print from smart card, free sharp desk seat, a4 color, segment 3's with single pass duplex scanning, pull out usb keyboard... Whats the value in ricoh dragging their feet with all of this?

Seems Ricoh, Canon and Xerox may be the last of the holdouts. When speaking with a rep at Ricoh they were concerned that A4 devices will lower profit (image that,they do make a profit on a box)expectations especially if A4 takes off. With the presence of Sharp, Samsung and KonicaMInolta they needed to make the move. Keep in mind though that neither KM, nor Sharp has come out with an robust A4 monochrome (don't know what they are waiting for here), remember I stated robust A4, something along the lines of a 40 or 50ppm that can handle 20K each and every month.

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Originally posted by Art Post:

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Originally posted by M138:
doesnt the sharp frontier series have color cpp right now that is close to a3 color? Seems to me like they're innovating faster and getting new features to market first and getting a share of the margins that come with that. I was really happy when c2050/2550 came to market and we had an edge for a moment, but think about it: print from smart card, free sharp desk seat, a4 color, segment 3's with single pass duplex scanning, pull out usb keyboard... Whats the value in ricoh dragging their feet with all of this?

Seems Ricoh, Canon and Xerox may be the last of the holdouts. When speaking with a rep at Ricoh they were concerned that A4 devices will lower profit (image that,they do make a profit on a box)expectations especially if A4 takes off. With the presence of Sharp, Samsung and KonicaMInolta they needed to make the move. Keep in mind though that neither KM, nor Sharp has come out with an robust A4 monochrome (don't know what they are waiting for here), remember I stated robust A4, something along the lines of a 40 or 50ppm that can handle 20K each and every month.

You should check out the Lexmark XS658dme/dfe. 55ppm, single-pass duplex color scanning, open architecture, scan-to/print-from USB. It can handle 20k/month easy.

Samsung Canada is set to release their A3 line of Black/Colour copiers this week in Toronto. What has been the experience in the USA with this product?

We never took them on, and have not seen a one on the field

Art, why did you not take on the Sammy A3? What was your experience with the 8380 and 8540?

It was managements decesion that we had all we could handle with the Ricoh color product line and to stay a single line dealer for color. The only sammies we sold were the A4 black systems. With the intro of the A4 ricoh black, I doubt we'll sell anymore of the sammies.

I'll be curious to see if the new Ricoh A4 units and Konica Minolta bizhub 42 / 36 A4 units will derail the Samsung, Sharp, and Lexmark A4 placements that have been prevalent in the marketplace.

Among many other incentives, Samsung is offering a significant per copier Credit Card reward on both their Colour and Black A3 Models to attract sales reps interest in promoting these products.

The products themselves use a mono component toner/developer/drum system with a slightly higher Breakeven cpc.

Due to aggressive intro promos, the copier crooks in my territory are already promoting the product in hopes of big commission cheques. The crooks often cannot get any other new A3 product line to sell. Samsung A3/A4 is sold to dealers through PC Distribution wholesalers who want the volume and do not ask too many questions.