$3.99 to $4.09 around here. I hear the Geo Metro 3 cylinder gets about 50 mpg and one went on eBay for $7,000. Book on it was about $1,500
Art Post (Guest)
now thats turning a heap of dung into alotta cash! wE'RE NOW $3.93
$ 4.21 today
DRichard (Guest)
I feel soooo "lucky"...$3.88 in Knoxville, TN.
DRichard (Guest)
If only one of our presidential candidates would take a JFK-type approach to eliminating our dependency on oil. Kennedy set a goal to get to the moon within a certain time and government programs (and budgets) supported it. Why not set a similar goal to find and implement viable alternatives and REALLY support it? We don't need to use our fuel dollars to support unfriendly regimes around the world. Using our own reserves would be no more than a bandaid, a drop in the bucket and a temporary one at that. My vote would go to the candidate who comes up with that plan.
I got this today...
Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting American products?
Shouldn't we return the favor? Can't we take control of our own destiny and let these giant oil importers know who REALLY generates their profits, their livings? How about leaving American Dollars in America and reduce the import/export deficit?
An appealing remedy might be to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up your car you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just purchase gas from companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill up my tank, I'm sending my money to people who I get the impression want me, my family and my friends dead. Don't you think it might be of interest to know which oil companies import Middle Eastern oil and which do not?
These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell..................................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.................. 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil........................ 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway............ 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco................................. 62,231,000 barrels
And CITGO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hatesAmerica and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez's regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)
The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do the math at $95 per barrel, that's over $524 million PER DAY ($191 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!!
Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco........................ 0 barrels
Conoco.................... 0 barrels
Sinclair.................... 0 barrels
BP / Phillips................ 0 barrels
Hess. ......................... 0 barrels
ARC0..................................0 barrels
Maverick....................... 0 barrels
Flying J. ................................0 barrels
Valero........................... 0 barrels
• I AM GOING TO ADD THE FOLLOWING.
. Murphy Oil USA, sold at Wal-Mart, is from South Arkansas
. They also give scholarships to all children in their town who finish high school and are legal US citizens.
All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.
But to have a real impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. With the help of the internet, it's really simple to do. Now, don't wimp out at this point....keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at only ten more (30 x 10 = 300)....and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)....and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!!!!!!!
If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it....THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE-the entire population of theUnited States of America!!!!
Again, all you have to do is forward this message to 10 people. How long would that really take you? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people, within one day all 300 MILLION people could theoretically be contacted during the next eight days!
Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting American products?
Shouldn't we return the favor? Can't we take control of our own destiny and let these giant oil importers know who REALLY generates their profits, their livings? How about leaving American Dollars in America and reduce the import/export deficit?
An appealing remedy might be to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up your car you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just purchase gas from companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill up my tank, I'm sending my money to people who I get the impression want me, my family and my friends dead. Don't you think it might be of interest to know which oil companies import Middle Eastern oil and which do not?
These companies import Middle Eastern oil:
Shell..................................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.................. 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil........................ 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway............ 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco................................. 62,231,000 barrels
And CITGO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hatesAmerica and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez's regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)
The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do the math at $95 per barrel, that's over $524 million PER DAY ($191 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!!
Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco........................ 0 barrels
Conoco.................... 0 barrels
Sinclair.................... 0 barrels
BP / Phillips................ 0 barrels
Hess. ......................... 0 barrels
ARC0..................................0 barrels
Maverick....................... 0 barrels
Flying J. ................................0 barrels
Valero........................... 0 barrels
• I AM GOING TO ADD THE FOLLOWING.
. Murphy Oil USA, sold at Wal-Mart, is from South Arkansas
. They also give scholarships to all children in their town who finish high school and are legal US citizens.
All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.
But to have a real impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. With the help of the internet, it's really simple to do. Now, don't wimp out at this point....keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!
I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at only ten more (30 x 10 = 300)....and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)....and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!!!!!!!
If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it....THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE-the entire population of theUnited States of America!!!!
Again, all you have to do is forward this message to 10 people. How long would that really take you? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people, within one day all 300 MILLION people could theoretically be contacted during the next eight days!
DRichard (Guest)
(wow...that's a lot better than I had...)
Snopes says:
Origins: The two most important basic facts about this misguided scheme for lowering gas prices are:
• It was written several years ago, when the world oil market was considerably different than it is today.
• It wasn't accurate even at the time it was written, containing many gross statistical errors and exhibiting a severely flawed grasp of oil industry economics.
Although the message quoted above doesn't address where (outside of the Middle East) we import oil from, many people come away from reading it with the mistaken impression that most of the USA's crude oil is imported from the Middle East. It isn't. According to some recent figures regarding crude oil imports, in December 2007 only 23% of the USA's crude oil imports came from countries classified by the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) as Persian Gulf exporters (i.e., Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain). The top six countries (by percentage of total USA imports) supplying crude oil to the USA in December 2007 were:
Canada: 18.0%
Saudi Arabia: 17.0%
Venezuela: 12.7%
Mexico: 12.6%
Nigeria: 12.3%
Angola: 4.5%
Moving along, we find that nearly all of the statistics offered in the piece quoted above are erroneous or outdated:
Top 4 companies that import middle eastern oil
Shell 205,742,000 barrels of oil
Chevron/Texaco 144,332,000
Exxon/Mobil 130,082,000
Marathon 117,740,000
This information is quite outdated. In 2007, the top four companies importing oil from the Persian Gulf were as follows (figures given in barrels):
Motiva Enterprises: 160,876,000
Exxon/Mobil: 155,181,000
Valero: 153,519,000
Marathon: 64,134,000
Here are some large companies that do not import much Middle Eastern oil:
Citgo 0 barrels of oil
Sunoco 0
Conoco 0
Sinclair 0
Phillips 0
Some of these numbers were inaccurate to begin with, and consolidation in the oil industry has since wiped out some of the true zero figures as non-importing companies merged with (or were acquired by) importing companies. According to the DoE, in 2007 the above-listed companies imported oil from Persian Gulf countries in the following quantities (figures given in barrels):
Citgo: 949,000
Sunoco: 0
ConocoPhillips: 22,992,000
Sinclair: 0
BP North America: 34,099,000
So, "doing the math" and multiplying these figures by a price of $100/barrel, we calculate that supporting only the oil companies listed above would still be putting $5.8 billion dollars per year into the coffers of Persian Gulf countries.
Statistics aside, the glaring fallacy here is the suggestion that we could possibly buy all our gasoline only from a few select oil companies. This notion is like claiming
that we could put the big grocery chains out of business if we all bought our food only from small mom & pop stores, but ignoring the fact that these small shops couldn't possibly come close to supplying all our grocery needs. Some of the oil companies named above are relatively small (which is a large part of the reason why they don't necessarily import from the Middle East) and could not satisfy the demand that would be created if a significant portion of the USA's consumer base were to shun all the largest oil companies — unless they bought up the output of the companies we were supposed to be avoiding in the first place (or, alternatively, unless they raised their prices sky-high).
Moreover, the idea that oil companies sell gasoline only through their branded service stations, and therefore if you don't buy gasoline from Shell-branded gas stations you're not sending money to Shell (or, by extension, the Middle East), is wrong. Oil companies sell their output through a variety of outlets other than their branded stations (and in countries other than the U.S.); as well, by the time crude oil gets from the ground into our gasoline tanks, there's no practical way for consumers to know exactly where it came from. (A good deal of the crude oil purchased from Russia, for example, was oil from Iraqi fields sold through Russian middlemen.)
As the St. Louis Post-Dispatch noted:
Economics Prof. Pat Welch of St. Louis University says any boycott of "bad guy" gasoline in favor of "good guy" brands would have some unintended (and unhappy) results.
Although foreign relations wax and wane, Welch says, the law of supply and demand is set in stone. "To meet the sudden demand," he says, "the good guys would have to buy gasoline wholesale from the bad guys, who are suddenly stuck with unwanted gasoline."
So motorists would end up buying Arab oil anyway — and paying more for it, because they'd be buying it at fewer stations.
And yes, oil companies do buy and sell from one another. Mike Right of AAA Missouri says, "If a company has a station that can be served more economically by a competitor's refinery, they'll do it."
Right adds, "In some cases, gasoline retailers have no refinery at all. Some convenience-store chains sell a lot of gasoline — and buy it all from somebody else's refinery."
St. Louis University's Welch says, "The e-mail presupposes that you know who the supplier is, and that's not always the case."
Finally, what this scheme proposes is merely a symbolic solution rather than a practical one, because even if the USA stopped importing oil from the Middle East, other countries will still purchase it. (Japan alone, for example, generally buys as much or more oil from countries such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait than the USA does.)
Complex problems rarely lend themselves to simple, painless answers. Simply shifting where we buy gasoline isn't nearly as good a solution as the much tougher choice of sharply curtailing the amount of gasoline we buy.
Origins: The two most important basic facts about this misguided scheme for lowering gas prices are:
• It was written several years ago, when the world oil market was considerably different than it is today.
• It wasn't accurate even at the time it was written, containing many gross statistical errors and exhibiting a severely flawed grasp of oil industry economics.
Although the message quoted above doesn't address where (outside of the Middle East) we import oil from, many people come away from reading it with the mistaken impression that most of the USA's crude oil is imported from the Middle East. It isn't. According to some recent figures regarding crude oil imports, in December 2007 only 23% of the USA's crude oil imports came from countries classified by the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) as Persian Gulf exporters (i.e., Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain). The top six countries (by percentage of total USA imports) supplying crude oil to the USA in December 2007 were:
Canada: 18.0%
Saudi Arabia: 17.0%
Venezuela: 12.7%
Mexico: 12.6%
Nigeria: 12.3%
Angola: 4.5%
Moving along, we find that nearly all of the statistics offered in the piece quoted above are erroneous or outdated:
Top 4 companies that import middle eastern oil
Shell 205,742,000 barrels of oil
Chevron/Texaco 144,332,000
Exxon/Mobil 130,082,000
Marathon 117,740,000
This information is quite outdated. In 2007, the top four companies importing oil from the Persian Gulf were as follows (figures given in barrels):
Motiva Enterprises: 160,876,000
Exxon/Mobil: 155,181,000
Valero: 153,519,000
Marathon: 64,134,000
Here are some large companies that do not import much Middle Eastern oil:
Citgo 0 barrels of oil
Sunoco 0
Conoco 0
Sinclair 0
Phillips 0
Some of these numbers were inaccurate to begin with, and consolidation in the oil industry has since wiped out some of the true zero figures as non-importing companies merged with (or were acquired by) importing companies. According to the DoE, in 2007 the above-listed companies imported oil from Persian Gulf countries in the following quantities (figures given in barrels):
Citgo: 949,000
Sunoco: 0
ConocoPhillips: 22,992,000
Sinclair: 0
BP North America: 34,099,000
So, "doing the math" and multiplying these figures by a price of $100/barrel, we calculate that supporting only the oil companies listed above would still be putting $5.8 billion dollars per year into the coffers of Persian Gulf countries.
Statistics aside, the glaring fallacy here is the suggestion that we could possibly buy all our gasoline only from a few select oil companies. This notion is like claiming
that we could put the big grocery chains out of business if we all bought our food only from small mom & pop stores, but ignoring the fact that these small shops couldn't possibly come close to supplying all our grocery needs. Some of the oil companies named above are relatively small (which is a large part of the reason why they don't necessarily import from the Middle East) and could not satisfy the demand that would be created if a significant portion of the USA's consumer base were to shun all the largest oil companies — unless they bought up the output of the companies we were supposed to be avoiding in the first place (or, alternatively, unless they raised their prices sky-high).
Moreover, the idea that oil companies sell gasoline only through their branded service stations, and therefore if you don't buy gasoline from Shell-branded gas stations you're not sending money to Shell (or, by extension, the Middle East), is wrong. Oil companies sell their output through a variety of outlets other than their branded stations (and in countries other than the U.S.); as well, by the time crude oil gets from the ground into our gasoline tanks, there's no practical way for consumers to know exactly where it came from. (A good deal of the crude oil purchased from Russia, for example, was oil from Iraqi fields sold through Russian middlemen.)
As the St. Louis Post-Dispatch noted:
Economics Prof. Pat Welch of St. Louis University says any boycott of "bad guy" gasoline in favor of "good guy" brands would have some unintended (and unhappy) results.
Although foreign relations wax and wane, Welch says, the law of supply and demand is set in stone. "To meet the sudden demand," he says, "the good guys would have to buy gasoline wholesale from the bad guys, who are suddenly stuck with unwanted gasoline."
So motorists would end up buying Arab oil anyway — and paying more for it, because they'd be buying it at fewer stations.
And yes, oil companies do buy and sell from one another. Mike Right of AAA Missouri says, "If a company has a station that can be served more economically by a competitor's refinery, they'll do it."
Right adds, "In some cases, gasoline retailers have no refinery at all. Some convenience-store chains sell a lot of gasoline — and buy it all from somebody else's refinery."
St. Louis University's Welch says, "The e-mail presupposes that you know who the supplier is, and that's not always the case."
Finally, what this scheme proposes is merely a symbolic solution rather than a practical one, because even if the USA stopped importing oil from the Middle East, other countries will still purchase it. (Japan alone, for example, generally buys as much or more oil from countries such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait than the USA does.)
Complex problems rarely lend themselves to simple, painless answers. Simply shifting where we buy gasoline isn't nearly as good a solution as the much tougher choice of sharply curtailing the amount of gasoline we buy.
solution:
We all ride bicycles!
I did last week and put on 642 miles. I am now into a size 30 from a 42. I have also left copier sales and have just been added to one of the teams for the Tour De France!!!
We all ride bicycles!
I did last week and put on 642 miles. I am now into a size 30 from a 42. I have also left copier sales and have just been added to one of the teams for the Tour De France!!!
Art Post (Guest)
Took a trip to detriot over the weekend. NJ $3.94, PA, $3.99, OH $3.99 and MI was $4.02
If I wasn't afraid to ride a motorcyle, I'd get me a three wheeler with a trailer to pull my machines.
Art Post (Guest)
$3.89 in NJ seems to be holding there right now, was in upstate NY where gas was $4.10
$4.19 for regular unleaded and the RV industry in my neck of the woods is failing fast. I've had to shift my focus out of Elkhart County, Indiana...layoffs and closings are a daily thing
DRichard (Guest)
Tennessee - $3.84/gal. between Knoxville & Oak Ridge.
$4.16 for regular at the station outside of Holiday World in Indiana on Friday.
$3.98 for regular unleaded....Messiah Obama goes to the Middle East and gas drops .20 a gallon....is he great or what?
I hope it is the coming trend, Paducah went to $3.82 on Friday afternoon.
Art Post (Guest)
Lowest I saw in NJ is $3.74 for 87 octane, hope it continues ![](http://print4payhotel.hoop.la/fileSendAction/fcType/12/fcOid/330620847527101197/fodoid/330620847527101198/imageType/MINI_THUMBNAIL/inlineImage/true/4006061485avatar)
Art Post (Guest)
Saw $3.63 today for 87 octane in New Jersey
Jason...need any help in Nashville? Gas here is at $3.66 and I was thrilled.
Art Post (Guest)
WOW, gas in TN is LOW! Best I've seen in New Jersey is $3.47, as predicted lower gas prices the closer we get to the election.
Art Post (Guest)
South Jersey saw Regular for $3.29
Last week Western Kentucky got down to $3.44, but with the news of the latest hurricane, and Labor Day holiday, we are back to $3.59 - $3.68.
DRichard (Guest)
3.43/gal and holding steady in and around Knoxville, TN.
Art Post (Guest)
$3.28 for regular in New Jersey ![](http://print4payhotel.hoop.la/fileSendAction/fcType/12/fcOid/330620847527108805/fodoid/330620847527108806/imageType/THUMBNAIL/inlineImage/true/7426015685avatar)
From $3.65 yesterday to $4.59 today in Western Kentucky. So much for the brief savings.
Art Post (Guest)
Geez, its still @ $3.29 was the lowest price I saw today!! Someone is ripping you off?
Governor of Kentucky issued an emergency order today against price gouging on stations that are fearing a shortage from Hurrican Ike. About 30 stations raised prices $.65 to $1.00 over the last 12 hours.
I filled up yesterday, but it was still $3.75
Art Post (Guest)
oh ^%$#
My sentiments exactly! ![Angry](http://www.dnet-km.com/greamlins/angry.gif)
![Angry](http://www.dnet-km.com/greamlins/angry.gif)
$4.15 for regular in good old North Central Indiana..... ![](http://print4payhotel.hoop.la/fileSendAction/fcType/12/fcOid/330620847527101197/fodoid/330620847527101198/imageType/MINI_THUMBNAIL/inlineImage/true/4006061485avatar)
Art Post (Guest)
WOW, it went up here however 87 octane is at $3.39
DRichard (Guest)
It was true! The papers said Knoxville had the highest in the country at about $4.69??? They were lowballin' ya'll! Three doors down from us had $5.00/gal regular...(price gouging? NAWW!) Let the investigations begin!
Art Post (Guest)
rocketed back up to $3.65 here for 87 octanne
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