Competing against the Xerox 4127 b/w production print system?

Art,

Why is FCOT so important? I haven't been in a production evnironment yet, where that has been extremely important except in ripping large color files?

You should also check out the Smart Kit?

Would you really sell a 125 ppm machine in an environment running 600k / month -- or even close to that?

Interseted in your thoughts...

Looks like the Duty Cycle for this model is 2 million. Its interesting, this may have changed from 600k because I used to have 600k for the Enterprise Version and 2 for the Copier/Printer version in my records.

And now both are 2m:

http://www.xerox.com/digital-p...inter/spec-enus.html


http://www.xerox.com/digital-p...nting/spec-enus.html

but again,,,,who would sell a unit like this for that volume? It doesn't make sense...

When we carried the Konica High End Line - I had a customer running about 1.5 millions a month, with coverage that came back around 1% on 40% of the jobs and 17& on 60%...The machine ran horrible when they did low coverage, and we had to retrofit a toner recyling vacuum pack.

At the end I added 2 additoinal 1050's and 2 6500's w/ a micro press.. I don't know what its rated for but I never sold against that...or with that....It's about making profit for the customer and potential to get jobs out.

Am I looking at this wrong? What are your takes on the rated volume / duty cycle and thoughts on a 100 ppm machine running 600 - 1mill copies per month?

Art, here is a quote from Xerox on a 4112 I was going against. This just happen in the last week.

Art
I forgot one thing. All of these Xerox will use there Free Flow Software, which is proprietary. So down the road if the customer wants to switch to a different dealer they will have to convert there files over. It use to be call RDO's. This is not a cheap covert.

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Originally posted by merlin:
Art, here is a quote from Xerox on a 4112 I was going against. This just happen in the last week.

Thanx for the quote! Wish everyone else would chip in!

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Originally posted by merlin:
Art
I forgot one thing. All of these Xerox will use there Free Flow Software, which is proprietary. So down the road if the customer wants to switch to a different dealer they will have to convert there files over. It use to be call RDO's. This is not a cheap covert.

interesting on the FREE Flow Software, I'll have to keep this handy!

Art,
Couple others things that may help. First, the price quote was for a government account, plus the Xerox does not have a Ring Binder option. We have them out and they work great.

Merlin.

Your right, the finishing on the Xerox 41 series is pretty light, Booklet, interposing, and stapling is about as much as you can get...For a Very high price point at that w/ booklet...Its close to $10,000 to upgrade to that finisher.

The 41 series are considered OFFICE MONOCHROME and not production. I am not as familiar w/ the new RICOH PRO series but seems like RICOH finally is addressing the production needs with the finishing.

How well does the RICOH pro handle heavier paper? Can it duplex more than 200 gsm?