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You mentioned that you are running 900K per month, would that be about 450K per month on each Ricoh device???

What is the overall meter read on these devices?

Since the 2090, Ricoh introduced two more HV models, with the later models they incorporated some of the Hitachi technology.

In my experience you if you are producing 450K per month, you are running these (Ricoh) systems at or around maximum monthly volume.

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I think the 450K per month if that is the actual volume, you would even be running the Canons hard. You are basically trading manufacturers. New Ricoh or new Canon will run much better. consider 36 month lease only, upgrade in month 30. Also consider 3 90ppms instead of 2 105's

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My friend take a look at the Xerox 700... you´ll be amazed. Back to back registration + - 1mm... 70ppm, 2400x2400dpi... just great. Love it.

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My friend take a look at the Xerox 700... you´ll be amazed. Back to back registration + - 1mm... 70ppm, 2400x2400dpi... just great. Love it.

They are replacing black and white machines not color.

Have you looked at the MP series from Ricoh, my MP9000 has almost 10,000,000 in just over 2-1/2 years and I average about 3 calls a month give or take.

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Our volume is split right around 450K per month on each machine. Our meter reads are both around 13,000,000 each. They are probably ready to retire. I wouild like to run (3) of these devices, but space is an issue...

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Not sure how someone could come to the conclusion that 900k b&w per month equates to a DC700.

If room is an issue maybe buy 1 machine that is twice as fast like the current xerox\Oce offerings.

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Not sure how someone could come to the conclusion that 900k b&w per month equates to a DC700.

If room is an issue maybe buy 1 machine that is twice as fast like the current xerox\Oce offerings.


The IR 7105 is another of the what I call "Fast Plastic" machines. If your Volume is what it is now you'll likely not last out the lease on these devices.

Perhaps someone in the know can recall the maximum duty cycle of the 7105 print engine. IIRC it's 12 Million which works out to end of duty cycle in roughly 48 months assuming volume doesn't grow.

I'm not sure what your answer is but I'm pretty sure it isn't 2 7105's. One good thing about the 7105 is the in-line perfect bound book maker. Unless of course you don't sell that type of work LOL.

Just as a side note the Japanese Manufacturers are real cagey and evasive about disclosing how long their high volume engines are designed to last and unless you know a tech really well and can get the REAL information BE CAREFUL.

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Hi Guys,
I went an saw a demo on the Konica-Minolta Pro 1050e. This seems like a sweet machine. The sales rep said they have placements in environments up to 1.3-1.5 million per month... The price for one of these is about the price of two of the Canon iR7105's...

Anyone have any advice of this model?

My advise, is to get the name of the users that are running the 1.3 million a month from sales person and go pay a visit to thier shop. PERIOD!

This is a major investment for you and your company, also try and keep the lease at 48 months or less.

Print4Pay Hotel

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If you are considering the Canon line you should look at the new image press B&W series. This new line won Best of show at On Demand this year. I'll bet you can get a good deal on this line as CBS is looking for immediate placements.

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The 7105 is a workhorse, and as far as "fast plastic" goes, it's the best of the lot. I have seen these machines and their antecedents, the 105 and 105 plus, rack up over 20 million clicks. That's about the end of the line for them, though, and 10-15 million life cycle is more likely. If you want a real tank, the imagePRESS 1135/1125/1110, and 1110S will handle 450K with ease. The champion workhorse though is the 7110, built by Kodak/Heidelberg engine, the 7150 version will run 5 million per month. Soon to come is the 300ppm dual-engine version of this which gives you redundancy if one engine is down. Not cheap, but it will run and run. By the way, I'm a Canon rep HV specialist. The Oce 250ppm machine is a strong competitor, but, if it goes down, it's down. The other choice is the Xerox 288 with 2 144ppm engines for redundancy. Email me if you want a side-by-side comparison from Buyers Lab.

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Wow, 450K per month on a 7105, month in, month out. That's alot. I usually believe that about 20-25% of the manufacturer's recommended volume is about as hard as you can run them. I think the iR 7105 is rated at 600K per month, that makes 120K per month about the reasonable volume.

Think of it as a car and your looking at the rpm gauge. You stay around 2,100 rpm while running normally, but when pressing it you can accelerate and enter the red line rpm. If your gauge goes to 8K rpm, and you run it at 4K, it won't last.

I think that the new imagePRESS 1110P model with the suction feed and heaver design is a more reasonable machine. Please excuse my ignorance when it comes to other brands as I sell Canon.

As a printer, you'll love the image quality and features. I think one of those and an iR 7095 with an optional finisher would pay for itself. There is little advantage to jumping to the 7105 as it is the same machine, just slightly faster.

I've been doing this for 30 years, so take it for what its worth, no vendor, regardless of brand should install a machine running at half the recommended volume.

By the way, the imagePRESS series is Canon's baby. They put a lot of money in R&D for these models. In fact, more than any product ever. They want it to work and the support will be phenomenal.

Good Luck.