Tagged With "Apeos C5240 and C6340 are A4"
Reply
Re: All Ricoh A4 devices = no stapler
If it helps, Canon A4 staplers are usually around $900 whole sale.
Reply
Re: All Ricoh A4 devices = no stapler
$650 on a B&W A4, $615 on a color A4. Ricoh is missing the boat one this one...
Comment
Re: Post-Virus We Must Defeat The Zombie Companies!
Although I am 60% on board with your move to A4 strategy, most of the rest of the stuff you are posting is "knocking it out of the park"! I would like to see a poll. As a business owner, during COVID-19 would you prefer? 1). No lease payments for 90 days 2). 1/2 price lease payments for one year The auto industry is pushing no payments for 90 days but I think business owners are more concerned about cash flow for the next year. I think the correct strategy is to offer as part of your...
Comment
Re: Post-Virus We Must Defeat The Zombie Companies!
We generally do not build in prepaid copy/ print blocks into our leases. We do give away free copy prints up front but only intended as a short term bonus. We do normally charge a $25.00 minimum monthly maintenance fee but have waived that until the economy rebuilds momentum. I am in Canada, lease vendors are currently offering 90 day payment deferrals added back on at the end of term for those customers who request them. Leases expire every month and customers are happy with the equipment...
Comment
Re: It’s The End Of The Day With Ray! 2020 Who Will Educate Endusers
HI Ray and Happy New Year! The A4 Revolution will not happen until those A4 manufacturers provide A4 print devices with the A3 cost per page model along with advanced scanning and finishing. You're right that's there's only a small percentage of users that need 11x17. However 11x17 is only part of the picture with end users needs. Larger document feeders, and stapling is still a requirement in many offices. As you know we could debate this until 2021 or longer, but the end game is advanced...
Comment
Re: It’s The End Of The Day With Ray! 2020 Who Will Educate Endusers
Art, Thanks for comments it's conversation which starts change. There is way more applications for A4 MFPs than those few applications you suggest. The large disruption will be from those who can isolate the realities of the customers needs and sell based on those realities. Declining Marketplaces are disrupted when the old way continues delivering to all the market's customers the same way they did before the decline. The old way needs to focus on the realities of over 80% of the market...
Reply
Re: Will outside Sales Rep's go away?
In a way its already gone to the internet and away from the outside sales rep........at least for stand alone printers and A4 devices. If all someone needs is a printer or an A4 to be used for basic printing,scanning and copying.....face it, they really don't need us already. If you've been at this a long time you probably remember the days when you sold a lot of A4 machines to small offices. 20 years ago if you needed an A4 you called a copier dealer. Those days are gone for the most part.
Reply
Re: Will outside Sales Rep's go away?
I’m a little late to this party but had the thread open since it was posted. As a 35 year old i straddle the “millennial” and old school gap (in my opinion haha). There is value of ordering things online that can be commonly used or even basic electronics. But if it’s anything above basic, I still believe talking to someone even if on the phone, pays dividends. We recently bought a new vehicle for my wife and explored for weeks online our options, the new vehicles options, what the price...
Comment
Re: 7 Deadly Topics from 7 Deadly Sinners at Top 100 Summit (Part One)
I will also add since you mentioned wanting to do this on copiers/MFPs: our industry also needs to get the idea that MPS only has to do with printers & A4 MFPs out of their heads. Output is output, & our clients don't see any difference so why should we? Properly deploy what systems meet the client's needs (or just get rid of them if that is best) & be of service in whatever way you can. Hell, our customers want all of this stuff to go away (just wait til the Millenials are in...
Comment
Re: 7 Deadly Topics from 7 Deadly Sinners at Top 100 Summit (Part One)
Is it just me, it seems that the general rule of thumb for the copier industry to end users is "the take or leave approach". Meaning, come hell or high water we're not going to change the way we bill, the way we support, or the financial solutions that we offer. While I was at the Top 100 conference, a rep from Wells Fargo spoke about the billing options that they now have in their leases. One of the options was for seat billing for managed IT services. My thought is that if it's available...
Comment
Re: 10 Ways to Close Net New Business #4 of #10
Just a short update in reference to the account I was speaking about. The IG came back with many additional questions today, asking if the cost per page could be lowered, the annual cost of the maintenance agreement, and the price of the system. I stated NO on all accounts. We had started with a 25ppm color A3 device and then moved to an A4 color device. They were not even happy with that price. In addition when they received all of the no's they asked about pre-owned or used. I then stated,...
Reply
Re: Target GP Margins
Czech, I got nothing for you, well, may have something. Every opportunity is different, all depends on the time of the month, we're I'm at with revenue for the quarter or the month, if I can hold MSRP with a certain account. I taken the position (Commercial), that all my A4 devices will be priced at MSRP. A3 devices 21-40ppm would be 1,500 to 2,500, and 3,500 or more on everything else. Just a guide line that I try and follow. I'm not in the Major account business, maybe some other P4P'ers...
Reply
Re: Target GP Margins
We hold close to retail on the A4 devices and then average across the board we have about a 40% margin on equipment.
Reply
Re: Target GP Margins
Across the board, I probably average 12-15% margin above whatever markup management puts in before my "Sales Cost" is published. For printers & desktop A4 devices, I just want to get a bunch of them in the field running pages & making money, so I sell most of them at my Sales Cost. That recurring revenue stream & volume in numbers is more valuable than making a few extra dollars on the hardware. On larger A4 MFPs, I'll typically have a 20-25% margin, because I typically propose...
Reply
Re: Kyocera SWOT
Kyocera Guy, Way to earn the title! Thanks, man. To give the rest of the P4P crew some food for thought, here is what I have so far: Strengths Emerging as Europe Market Leader, Could be Replicated in Other Regions Ceyoniq ECM Acquisition a Bold Move, Solutions Goal $332M to $830M by 2018 HyPAS Platform Well Respected, Hybrid Java/Web Services has Potential Solid US Dealer Channel, Strong Partner Relationships and Value Proposition A4 MFP and SFP Expansion Creating Extremely Comprehensive...
Comment
Re: Copier Parts & Accessories China Tariff Starts in 9 Working Days
More than a few copier/ printers are manufactured in Thailand and the Philippines due to low labor costs. I do not know but I think these products tend to be more low end A4 and printer products. I think most A3 product is made in China. I can only speak for Toshiba but I know the majority of North American toner is made in North Dakota. As I am from Canada, I am hoping with fingers crossed that this very likely US tariff war with China will not effect us.
Comment
Re: Copier Parts & Accessories China Tariff Starts in 9 Working Days
All very good points. I'm guessing larger players might have more manufacturing site options. However, if their A3 are manufactured in say US and Korea but their A4 are largely China, there could be discrepency even within a single manufacturers ptoduct line. Another manufacturer could have the reverse.
Comment
Re: Copier Parts & Accessories China Tariff Starts in 9 Working Days
"Tariffs have a way of redirecting business" Tesla announced yesterday plans to build a new car factory in Shanghai, China in part to escape potential US tariffs on auto parts and battery supplies. https://www.nytimes.com/aponli...-as-china-tesla.html I can only guess that it would take years and much capital and energy to start or relocate a new copier factory outside of China. The Philippines is currently an important manufacturing hub for A4 printers and MFPs due to low labor costs. Most...
Reply
Re: Rumor has it that...
It's not the 75ppm a4 Canon machine that I speak of...There is another product that is a major game changer.
Comment
Re: A Halloween Tale of an A3 Copier’s Death
What is even more scary is how your commission cheques will fall in $ value if you only sell A4 copiers. The copier/printer market is not getting any larger and if a commission sales rep focuses on selling lower $ value A4 boxes, they are going to have to make a lot more sales calls and sell a lot more boxes to earn the same money.
Comment
Re: A Halloween Tale of an A3 Copier’s Death
How true! And whats next? How long will it take before A4 will also be banned from the offices? My opinion; As soon as Generation Z enters the office-floors (A3 and A4) print will (sooner or later) ‘disappear’. Who's already preparing his business for this future?
Reply
Re: Canon's new 75PPM A4 MFP series
As much as I am not a fan of A4, but realizing it’s our necessary evil, I hope they do. The A4 has for the most part killed it for us as sales people. We have to sell many more units to make the same revenue....revenue, I say....profit margin is good for the most part, but we still have to sell more united to keep everyone happy. Was the worst thing a manufacturer could do in my opinion.
Comment
Re: New Ricoh MP C501SP "A4 or A3 or a New Hybrid MFP?"
Hopefully there are more A3 style components that will allow it to become an option for A4 customers printing on heavier stocks and media.
Comment
Re: The A4 Challenge or Opportunity
Nice job Ray I've been touting A4 for many years, give the client what they want and educate them that A3 is not way to go. "If I'm not selling A4, then my competition is". Funny, when I mentioned this to a DSM, that DSM replied that we'll subsidize the A3's so you can place them
Comment
Re: The A4 Challenge or Opportunity
In my experience A4 machines are as much or even more hassle than an A3 machine to install and train which I do myself for the customer but my income off of the sale of the A4 device is a fraction of what it would have been had I sold an A3. Beyond that most A4 machines lack a document feeder built to handle the page volumes of walk up copying and scanning my customers do. At the end of the day I have to make a living so I spend my time on A3 opportunities.
Comment
Re: The A4 Challenge or Opportunity
Does Ricoh have an A4 that will shift sort or rotate sort?
Comment
Re: The A4 Challenge or Opportunity
The Ricoh color A4 devices have a one bin tray, they may do what you are looking for.
Comment
Re: The A4 Challenge or Opportunity
No, they do not The one bin is only an extra output tray, originally ment for seperating faxes
Reply
Re: Color MFP Trends, Tactics, etc
In about 5 placements, I've been able to take customers from existing A4 color devices and put them into one of these models for not much more than what they were paying, the high cost of A4 color consumables was the key when the user was making about 1,000 color pages per month along with 1,500 or more black. The low price cpc is an advantage with the Ricoh models. I have used a few of these systems as seed models, meaning that they take the color unit and commit to the lowest possible...
Reply
Re: Color MFP Trends, Tactics, etc
I havn't seen one placement of the frontier in my territory yet. But that doesn't mean they aren't out there. I see the whole copier industry making a shift to A$ devices in the next 24 months or less, they have too. Price is the driving factor, I've heard it all about A4's, such as "A4's can't hold up to heavy volume", oh yea then why do I see laser printers with hundreds of thousands of prints on them and they weigh under 100lbs? Heck, I just came from an account that has 180K on a Ricoh...
Reply
Re: Color MFP Trends, Tactics, etc
I would agree Art. However, Sharp may have been too bullish regarding how the Frontier line would take off. Back in May Sharp canceled five of the Frontier line's 18 models due to market conditions. Sharp no longer plans to launch DX or MX versions of a planned 50-ppm monochrome MFP and also canceled 31-ppm and 40-ppm color workgroup printers. I'm sure the economy didn't help, but it will be interesting to see how A4 MFPs fare in the 45ppm+ speed bands...
Reply
Re: Color MFP Trends, Tactics, etc
I'm with Art. I think the A4 systems are in the market to stay and soon everyone will have them. Samsung will also have A3 systems within the next 18 months to be able to offer them with the A4's on bids and tenders. We shouldn't forget old HP when we have this discussion...they still collect more clicks in NA than any other manufacturer and they are seriously getting into the managed print business. It seems to me it is going to come down to who is going to gaurantee the client the toner on...
Reply
Re: Weekend Industry Notes from 11/08/09
Not correct, this is an A4 device only and will not print 11x17 click here
Reply
Re: A4s and Single Function Laser in MPS
My first thought is that your post has a lot of jargon in it I don't understand. (I'm directly responsible for MPS, so it's not that I'm unfamiliar with the terms). When Art can't understand your question about and industry he's been in for 20+ years, it's time to back up and re-write . Secondly, regarding your questions about placing supplemental A4 MFPs around, it all depends upon the customer. I have some customers that have central MFPs and NO additional MFP capability. I have others...
Reply
Re: A4s and Single Function Laser in MPS
Thanks - point taken. Any other thoughts on the MPS breakdown for satellite single function laser or A4 MFPs? or Color vs. BW? Interesting that customers still don't make the most of their service agreements. Guess that is where device monitoring comes in.
Reply
Re: Ricoh Pro C720
Ricoh Americas Corporation announced today the official launch of the Ricoh Pro C720/C720s, a production class multi-functional color system and the latest addition to Ricoh’s Pro series of products, designed specifically for the production environment. This flexible system targets corporate and commercial professional print environments with demanding application needs. The Pro C720/C720s has a robust duty cycle of 320,000 images per month, and runs at 72 pages-per-minute (PPM) regardless...
Reply
Re: The Next One
Considering Samsung's penchant for allowing other manufacturer's to relabel there product (Xerox & Muratec already relabel their A4) I'm curious as to whether Ricoh's A4 will be made by Samsung or Ricoh, particularly since Ricoh already relabels some Samsung printers. The other relabel option could be Lexmark because of the relationship they have w/ the Ricoh InfoPrint division. I love the new Lexmark A4 products offered to their BSD partners, by the way.
Reply
Re: Panasonic Canada discontinues A3 Copier Distribution March 2011
It will be interesting to see how long they stay in the A4, Fax market. Their faxes have tended to be a more premium product and we see them being replaced by MFP's from tier 1/2. Not much else for them to do in the print market.
Reply
Re: Panasonic Canada discontinues A3 Copier Distribution March 2011
Panasonic Takes Aim at Fast-Growing A4 Class MFP Market Company to emphasize growing A4 MFP format in response to customer demands SECAUCUS, NJ (February 4, 2010) — Panasonic System Networks Company of America today announced plans to substantially increase its footprint in the burgeoning market for A4 multi-function products. The A4 market has undergone rapid growth and is emerging as the de facto standard in the marketplace. As a consequence the A3 market has been fading and will no longer...
Reply
Re: Lexmark A4 lineup
txeagle24, Do you have any info on the A4 lineup? Why are they releasing so many different models in the A4 class? I am researching Lexmark as a possible add to our fleet. You mentioned that these solutions could be downloaded are they FREE or a value-added techonology? If not how much to they range in price?
Reply
Re: Whats your average MFP Sale?
Single-machine under 60ppm: $7,500 Single-machine over 60ppm: $12,000 Color under 60ppm: $8,500 Color over 60ppm: $14,000 A4 desktop MFP: $1,200 A4 MFP: $5,000 B/w Printer: $750 Color printer: $1,000
Reply
Re: A4 Page Volumes
Not much here in Jersey, not many dealers left, however with direct now getting into A4, I'm sure we'll see many more. I'm a little concerned that there's been NO A4 Mono except for Sammy, there is a need but Direct seems to be only launching color A4.
Reply
Re: A4 Page Volumes
There is no specific volume which will become infliction point of cannabalisation...it we be based on the Vendors' being able to educate the customers. Most(over95%) of the current print/copy volumes is only A4, hence there is a strong point in A4 eating into A3 market. It is propelled by serious ATL work done by companies like HP. The only hindrance will come due to the higher running cost of the A4 devices. On the opposite side of this A3 vendors have the customers with actualy very...
Reply
Re: A4 Page Volumes
In my marketplace, the used A3 market (especially Colour)is still able to displace new A4 products at the same price. Colour quality and reliability has improved a lot over the last few years, so even a one generation old colour copier is very much in demand. The marketplace has a strong demand for colour that for me now exceeds black. Of course, this is not great new for new A3 sales. Customers who have an A3, generally want to stick with an A3 replacement copier. A4 products are sold with...