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Re: Hiring Sales Reps - what are you hearing
Surprising there are no replies yet. I would figure this to be a "hot" topic. We recently found one in the age demographic that will work out. He has more than a 45 minute ride, has closed a few orders already. Maybe you need to show them $500 at the interview and ask how they would like to get that $500, by working a week or trying to talk you out of it. After reading your thread it seems that neither of those "salespeople" have the "desire" to compete, yet alone the determination to "win".
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Re: Canon and Konica Minolta Reps
Thank you Carl. We've had to reschedule the meeting. I didn't realize how ancient it was until I pulled a buyers lab report on it! I'll have more after I meet with the guy next week.
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Re: Need HELP! Kyocera Color A3 question
Top three points I make when against Kyocera. #1. Take them color samples from your device and any Kyocera because the color output is sub par on all units. If you don’t have access to one look in your crm for an account you co-exist with Kyocera in. Or the next time you have a knock out make some samples and keep them in a binder. If color quality is important to the customer it will be a win. Another point is showing them you get what you pay for, meaning 3 tier color is what they have...
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Re: Will outside Sales Rep's go away?
Interesting thoughts, Thank you p4p. I have sold Canon for 20+ years. Many years ago they listed the imageClass line (MFP's under 2,500 dollars) and the entire scanning line and Wide Format line. As such I stopped selling those products as I have always been compensated on hardware gross profit and there was none. Todays buyer is much different and has already done homework before I even get to speak with them. The mfr uniqueness has been commoditized and they all provide the #1 buying...
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Re: Will outside Sales Rep's go away?
In 10 years there WILL be outside sales reps, and many of them will be the committed, true professionals of today. The E-Commence platform have changed our business and how we do it. For example gone are the days when you could duck into a 15 story office building and cold call. But electronic format can still be your attention getter and facilitate your efforts in creating interest. I can buy anything on line and cut out the sales person. Try doing your own investing and getting the right...
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Re: Will outside Sales Rep's go away?
I’m a little late to this party but had the thread open since it was posted. As a 35 year old i straddle the “millennial” and old school gap (in my opinion haha). There is value of ordering things online that can be commonly used or even basic electronics. But if it’s anything above basic, I still believe talking to someone even if on the phone, pays dividends. We recently bought a new vehicle for my wife and explored for weeks online our options, the new vehicles options, what the price...
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Re: 7 Deadly Topics from 7 Deadly Sinners at Top 100 Summit (Part One)
Czech funny you should mention that "wolverine" look, it was actually one of the "challenges" at the event. Whom ever had the most completed challenges won a MS Surface tablet. I did not win.
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Re: Target GP Margins
The whore'ing of the machines is getting worse and worse. Eventually the stupid Japanese presidents of the brands are going to be sitting around in a room somewhere trying to figure out why this industry went to sh*t and what do they do to fix it. This win the business at any cost to keep the factory running has to stop at some point....I would think.
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Re: Toshiba now has tier based CPC's?
I pretty much never see anyone proposing Toshiba color equipment, so I haven't seen this. There are a few Kyocera dealers I've seen proposing their tiered color billing capabilities. What shocks me is that no Ricoh dealers have started marketing this. The Cxx02 series & Cxx03 series have the ability to report multiple tiers of color coverage for billing purposes, but in a market with 7 dealers + RBS selling RFG products I have yet to see a single dealer pushing it.
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Re: Toshiba now has tier based CPC's?
Ricoh hasn't even made us aware that those systems can do that.... I don't ever hear of anyone talking about the tiered rate. I wonder if, for once, everyone is on the same page and wants to keep it at a full page of color cost regardless. I hope it stays that way.
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Re: Toshiba now has tier based CPC's?
Our Ricoh SSS told us about it. I'd love to be the first one to push it & make everyone else react. Plus, it would improve profitability if we could charge a higher rate for higher page coverage.
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Re: Toshiba now has tier based CPC's?
Very interesting. Has anyone else seen Toshiba MFPs selling with tiered CPCs? Art, how were these deals structured? I'm seeing more and more of this from Kyocera (and less and less from Xerox ColorQube), but I'm interested to see how billing evolves once metering/billing and accounting technology catches up. Thanks, Jake
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Re: Toshiba now has tier based CPC's?
Hi, we sell Toshiba in the UK. The current colour range can run with a two tiered counter already. We used to sell the Kyocera range with this feature it seemed to be good and won us business, but lost us money in service. When colour costs are dropping to 4p, the percentage of toner from the 4p is getting less. So to breaking this down into 3 tiers could seem marginal. But let say you could offer 1.5p for 2% coverage then 2.5p for 2-5% coverage and then 4p for above, you have now lost out...
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Re: Toshiba now has tier based CPC's?
Jake Not sure, I got this from one of our branches. I will try to get additional detailed info on Thursday of this week, hopefully a quote also.
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Re: Toshiba now has tier based CPC's?
In Canada, no such plan exits nor am I even aware the capability exists within Toshiba copiers. In my market, multi-tier pricing for color does not comes up in competitive pricing. For a 25 cpm, pricing seems to be holding steady at $0.010 Black and $0.070 color for single units. I have seen less and sometimes we move the cpc around a bit. For example, when we set up a copier we build the initial toner costs into our equipment costs. That gives us 32,000 colour pages to play with.
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Re: Toshiba now has tier based CPC's?
SSG How have you been? Thanx for the response, I had heard of this tiered cpc for color happening in another state and just wanted to confirm.
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Re: Sharp bond risk jumps as losses over 4½ years top $10 billion
Surely eventually the ship is sunk. I still see SAMSUNG as a buyer at some point even though the Japanese govt won't have it.....for now.
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Re: Toshiba e-Studio Erasable Toner 4508LP Questions
1). The new e4508LP uses the heat of the fuser to decolorize the blue toner to clear. The seperate RD30 erasing device is still available and presents a few advantages. 2). The MSRP does not include the seperate RD30 erasing device nor is it needed. 3). Not yet available. 4). Not yet available but probably. 5). Not yet available. 6). Regular 20 lb bond paper works fine. 28 lb bond paper will produce a better erase. 7). 45 cpm is the speed of black only. 35 cpm is the speed of the erase...
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Re: Toshiba e-Studio Erasable Toner 4508LP Questions
thank you!! So, I guess the erasing will count as a click. Thoughts?
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Re: Toshiba e-Studio Erasable Toner 4508LP Questions
I do not know yet. The product is not yet released in my area until mid August.
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Re: Toshiba e-Studio Erasable Toner 4508LP Questions
There is an all inclusive cpc charge for the Erasable Blue toner. The cost per copy analysis suggests that if on a 60 month lease you do not expect the the customer to erase more than 210,000 pages (3,500 pages per month) you can forget the parts cost and charge the same cpc as for Black at around $0.010 per page with a decent profit. There is no charge other than the users effort to recycle pages printed with erasable blue. If a sheet of paper costs $0.010 and Erasable Blue costs $0.010 you...
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Re: Toshiba e-Studio Erasable Toner 4508LP Questions
SSG, ty for this. In order to erase the blue toner, does the device count a click for that?
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Re: Toshiba e-Studio Erasable Toner 4508LP Questions
There is no charge to erase pages. A 3rd paper drawer would probably be useful. Letter/ Legal/ Erasable. The number of erased pages are recorded and displayed in the useful Paper Re-use Report which describes sheets of paper saved, CO2 saved and money saved. The Eco-MFP can erase pages at 17.5 sheets per minute.
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Re: Question about Toshiba MFP's
Less than 5% of my Toshiba clients are not under a Maintenance Service contract. Toshiba sells lots of kits designed for trained service techs to install but not typical end users. Even those customers who prefer not to be invoiced for monthly meter reads we try to automatically collect the meter reads via email or fax and usually but them on copy blocks.
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Re: Toshiba Introduces World's First Copier Delivering Erasable and Black & White Prints
Imagine a CMYK copier, except remove the CMY toner and developer and insert a new Erasable Blue (EB) toner and developer. Modify the copier so that when the Erasable blue toner passes back through the heat of the fuser, it de-colorizes the blue to white. A new rules based print driver can automatically makes software apps like emails auto print in blue plus provide a new counter to show how much paper, CO2 and money you saved. The previous generation product appealed to too small a section...
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Re: Toshiba Introduces World's First Copier Delivering Erasable and Black & White Prints
A good YouTube video showing the erasable copier in action. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwRBOqI9sq0
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Re: office360 equipment leads
I haven't tried them yet. Still using Buyer Zone but they do email me about once a week wanting me to try it out. What are the details when you say "couple thousand minimum purchase"...They want you to prepay that amount?? We are using EDA Data now as well.
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Re: office360 equipment leads
Thanks Monte. At first I was shocked at the 1,000 a month commitment but I don't know why as we were doing around 1,000 a month with buyer zone until the leads became junk.
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Re: Toshiba Introduces Powerful Desktop Multifunction Printer Trio
Anyone have info on these new models?
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Re: MPS and Linux HELP!
So some clarification first. PaperCut absolutely does support Mac. In fact, it is the only cost recovery/print control solution that I know of that actually installs in an all Mac environment. (Server and Client) It also is the only solution I know of that installs in a Linux environment. So both of your issues are solved with PaperCut. I included the install guides for Mac and Linux to get you started.
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Re: The A4 Challenge or Opportunity
Most are missing this great opportunity to shift dollars. The satellite channels are starting to tell end-users to shift print spend to IT Security, and other more pressing issues. It won't be long before the buyer starts circumventing the sales engine of yesterday. Thanks for posting Art
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Re: Savin Dealer LOW price
Well, when the buyer is looking for someone to service his two Savins in a couple of years because the original dealer went bankrupt, maybe he'll understand the phrase, "you get what you pay for"
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Re: Color MFP Trends, Tactics, etc
You stated and asked: "* The last year brought Ricoh’s entrance into the color light production and mid-production space with the C900/C900s and the Pro C550EX/C700EX. Although the C900 looks like a solid first step into color production, there may be some growing pains (outside of IKON) due to dealers' lack of production experience/contacts and printers' existing brand loyalty/hesitations about buying a 1st generation system. Does anyone see these replacing or beating Xerox/Konica/Canon...
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Re: Is selling at cost the future for print hardware?
Merlin -- you are absolutley right...like any business there are several costs. but you never know if a dealer had special terms with a their manufacturer to order x amount - or if they were trying to acheive a certain level to hit their quoata or win some award? Really hard to speculate on a business model which we don't know anything about. But the one thing that I do know is that - these idiots are everywhere..... And quite frankly -- the people who want that type of partnership would by...
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Re: UPDATE 3-Canon buys Dutch Oce for $1.1 bln, fights Ricoh
Go this via email today: Canon intends to make an offer of € 8.60 per Share for 100% of the outstanding Shares of Océ, representing a premium of 70% over Océ's stock price. There does not appear to be opposition to the deal either from European regulators or Océ board members. Océ will remain a separate legal entity as a Canon division, headquartered in Venlo (the Netherlands). The Océ brand is to be maintained and applied in all relevant markets. Océ will continue to lead its R&D and...
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Re: Ricoh Pro 907EX
Were you able to win this deal? If so, how did you overcome the price objection?
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Re: Premium Membership "What's In It For Me"
Just a note for everyone and thanx to all of our new preium members. I have forged an alliance with another web developer that will be funneling leads our way. Right now I'm picking up the slack to get these leads. Some come from my site and some from another, however they are quality and not someone looking to beat you up on price. Remember the P4Pcafe Value. "We connect the serious multifunctional copier buyer with best of breed multifunctional experts in your area. We have thousands of...
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Re: Daily Sales Philosophy
“Our doubts are traitors, And make us lose the good we oft might win, By fearing to attempt.” William Shakespeare (1564–1616) English writer
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Re: How are Sales Going for 2010?
For a few of us at my company, sales have been at about the same levels as previous years, but many of our reps are barely treading water. 2011 is going to be an interesting year due to economic uncertainty and the fact that we will have to win more new business than in years past in order to hit our sales goals. We're counting on some hardware to start to "pull-through" in our MPS engagements as we begin the Optimize phase in the MPS accounts we've won this year.
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Re: Possibly moving to Ricoh....
I'm going to say something here from my experience of being a copier buyer BEFORE I started working in the copier industry. Yes, it's true, I was a client of the very dealership that I came to work for. You're not going to like what I have to say because you're sales reps and you trained to think a certain way. Please, for once, listen with an open mind to someone with experience being on the other side of the proposal. Ponder it, don't spin it. Most buyers don't care one bit what brand of...
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Re: Top 9 Blunders that B2B Sales Reps Make
What they do: They give in to last minute demands from the prospect, usually for extra discounts, “or else the deal is off.” Why they do it: They’re deathly afraid of losing the deal at the end of the sale cycle, so they crumple when the prospect pushes. What happens: The customer rightfully concludes that 1) the rep didn’t offer the best deal from the start and 2) the rep lacks a backbone. The customer thus no longer trusts the rep and will constantly push for more and more and more and...
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Re: Competitive Copier Vendors
I think the local dealers biggest advantage against the National vendors is flexibility. Dealers naturally have much shorter chains of command due to having far less employees. Therefore, dealers can make quicker decisions. The National Vendors are always going to have the advantage of price and a lesser concern for profitability. If you cant beat them on price, thow in some change-ups on them. 1.Free Pro Services 2 Free HDD Decommissioning 3.Copy Blocks 4. Throw a "bonus" Office Chair,...
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Re: IKON steals University of Kentucky MPS contract from Lexmark!
Agreed, but lets just say the folks that wrote this have some "history" with Lexmark and they make sure to make Lexmark look bad every chance they have. Usually, when you see coverage of a big contract win, its more about who won the contract, not who lost it. Thats why I call it biased.
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Re: IKON steals University of Kentucky MPS contract from Lexmark!
I'm willing to wager that Ricoh (IKON) was the LOW bidder. To the point where the University of Kentucky threw loyalty to Lexmark aside. IKON needed some type of newsworthy 'WIN' since they were acquired by Ricoh and the University of Kentucky gave them that opportunity.
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Re: Need help with p4p forums
The constant stream of competitive information, "war stories" and conversations surrounding best practices in the dog-eat-dog world that is our day-to-day reality keep me coming back on a daily basis to look for the next nugget I can use to win deals & reach my production and income goals. I hope my competition stays off these forums & would probably pay to keep some level of market exclusivity to this library of industry-specific content.
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Re: Ricoh's move into videoconferencing
I think this market is pretty open. Cisco has a big footprint and now that Microsoft owns Skype I would not discount Skype at all. I do not believe any other copier players are in on this though. Also, until multiple brands of conferencing systems can communicate together, I would think whichever vendor gets the largest foothold will win.
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Re: Ricoh's move into videoconferencing
And so Ricoh being a new entrant to this field with zero base is a good thing how?