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Re: 57 Days of Selling "Day 47"
I am seeing more of that with wide format recently and I am not sure why. Most of what I have seen has been where they are running the same volume as before but they just don't want to have a machine anymore so they outsource it and it doesn't seem to matter if the machine was leased to them for a $1 a month they still wouldn't do it.
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Re: 7 Deadly Topics from 7 Deadly Sinners at Top 100 Summit (Part One)
I disagree that you have to own the network in order to offer seat-based billing. Before I go into why, can we (imaging industry) please stop referring to Managed Services as MNS? No one in the IT world uses this term; it's industry jargon that makes you stand out as a copier dealer 1st and an IT Services provider 2nd. Managed IT Services, Managed Services...fine. MNS needs to die. Now, here is why I disagree that you have to own the network as a client's Managed Services provider in order...
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Re: 7 Deadly Topics from 7 Deadly Sinners at Top 100 Summit (Part One)
Originally Posted by txeagle24: I disagree that you have to own the network in order to offer seat-based billing. Before I go into why, can we (imaging industry) please stop referring to Managed Services as MNS? No one in the IT world uses this term; it's industry jargon that makes you stand out as a copier dealer 1st and an IT Services provider 2nd. Managed IT Services, Managed Services...fine. MNS needs to die. Now, here is why I disagree that you have to own the network as a client's...
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Re: Your Copier
Welcome back😀 https://www.p4photel.com/blog/...-the-copier-industry 6 Reasons Why Flat Rate aka One Rate Will Change the Copier Industry Art Post 36 minutes ago I remember when plain paper copiers used rolls of paper and not sheets. I remember when the glass on the copiers had to move back and forth. I remember when copiers used liquid ink (toner) to produce an image. I remember when you used a dial to set how many copies you wanted to make. Yup, it's been a pretty incredible journey to see...
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Re: Five Reasons Why I'm Stoked About the New Ricoh SP8400DN Printer
What consumables are not included? Only the toner? What about other parts like drums, fuser, rollers etc.? Do you do those kind of agreements for MFP's too?
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Re: Five Reasons Why I'm Stoked About the New Ricoh SP8400DN Printer
No, we are not doing any of those agreements with our MFP's. With the printer the device billing would not include the drum, or fuser. Client would pay for those. Device billing is a practical maintenance agreement for the new A3 ink based MFP's. Epson will be launching their 100ppm color device shortly. The only consumables is the print head and the ink. It's rumored that the print head will be warranted for 3 years. In addition the print head is very costly. The idea would be to charge...
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Re: Five Reasons Why I'm Stoked About the New Ricoh SP8400DN Printer
Thanks. Interesting. I wonder what the advantages and disadvantages of those ink jets are (compared to laser MFP).
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Re: Five Reasons Why I'm Stoked About the New Ricoh SP8400DN Printer
Client Pro's: Lower purchase or lease price for hardware Faster print speed than laser based vs same segment ink vs laser Unlimited pages No overage billing No unpredicted costs with overages Less downtime than laser Client Cons: Quality of prints or copies may not be equal to laser (does not matter if prints or copies stay in house) Print Head cost Ink cost may be higher than color laser, however that may be off-set by the lower purchase price Anyone care to add?
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Re: Five Reasons Why I'm Stoked About the New Ricoh SP8400DN Printer
Thanks! Same functionality regarding scanning? Scan to email, smb, ftp? Secure printing? Authentication and account track? Ability to implement solutions like paper cut? I guess this will be my last question
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Re: Copier Parts & Accessories China Tariff Starts in 9 Working Days
More than a few copier/ printers are manufactured in Thailand and the Philippines due to low labor costs. I do not know but I think these products tend to be more low end A4 and printer products. I think most A3 product is made in China. I can only speak for Toshiba but I know the majority of North American toner is made in North Dakota. As I am from Canada, I am hoping with fingers crossed that this very likely US tariff war with China will not effect us.
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Re: A Few Copier Vignettes from the Late Eighties & Nineties
Art, You and I are from similar professional backgrounds and times. We started in 1980 selling Sharp and Juki typewriters. Everything sold near MSRP. Then the fax boom came and we caught that wave perfectly. We sold Ricoh thermal faxes for full list ($2995.00). The only issue was cash flow; we sold them faster than we could order and purchase them. Copier Maintenance agreements went from .022 up to .035 and did not include drums, developer, toner, fuser rollers or lamps! Also, like your...
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Re: A Few Copier Vignettes from the Late Eighties & Nineties
Yup we have the same issues with cash flow. It was a great problem to have. The Hunt for Red October was a great book, even found the movie awesome too! Ty for the comment, we should connect for lunch one day
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Re: Copier Parts & Accessories China Tariff Starts in 9 Working Days
President Trump announced today, effective Sept 24 2018, a 10% tariff on a broad list of $200 B worth of Chinese goods. https://ustr.gov/about-us/poli...inalizes-tariffs-200 On this final list are all forms of copy devices. No mention of printers. No mention of toner. Unless China makes serious trade concessions to the USA, without retaliatory tariffs of its own on USA made goods sold in China, the 10% tariff will rise to 25% on Jan 01 2019. These devices are on the final tariff list,...
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Re: Best Black & White MFP for 10k/month yeild. Suggestions?
TimB: Thanx for the comment! I believe you with the top ten in R & D for Spend to Sales ratios, but I don't R & D being conducted for copiers not like Canon, Xerox, KonicaMInolta & Xerox. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it must be a duck. Toshiba's market share over the last ten years in the US has always been at or near the bottom of the pack, thus they are cellar dwellers, bottom feeders, in the US market. You are correct with the MA, they were not asking for...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
I've only been around 9 years, but when I first started, we were selling the old Ricoh AP3800CMF (A3 color printer w/ a scanner kit attached to make it an MFP) since the 1224c/1232c was such a bust. In our Service Agreements, black toner was included in the CPP, but color toner was billable. When trying to get those customers to upgrade to the 2238c, I would create a cost per page analysis (since toner was included in our CPP for the 2238c) and had several furious customers who thought we...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
I remember it well and at ComDoc, in the early 80's we sometimes put the offer out there without it being a formal price plan. I think the customer realized that a lot of the toner they purchased and stocked was useless at end of the machines life. It was like a primer with a customer who had that and TCO on their mind, it was a way to close them. Equally, I remember taking it one step further in the early 90's with copy management - the first all inclusive (hardware, service, supplies)...
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Re: This Week in the Copier/Office Equipment Industry 10 Years Ago Last Week of February 2004)
I am out of the office until 05/03/2014. I am on annual leave until Wednesday 5th March 2014. If your email requires urgent attention please contact Mark Caveney on 01928 599 660 or mark.caveney@ricoh.co.uk ; or to place a service call and/or order toner for a machine please contact our service team on 08457 44 55 65. Alternatively, I will reply on my return. Many thanks, Ben. Note: This is an automated response to your message "Post By Art Post: This Week in the Copier/Office Equipment...
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Re: Managing Print Costs for Wide Format Ink Plotters
For all Premium Members here is the link in the "clips" section of this web site to access the document https://www.p4photel.com/clip/u...ttersvsledsystemsxls
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Re: 5 Questions for HP about the Acquisition of Samsung Printer Business Unit
I had the time at lunch today to listen to a recorded webex meeting from Photizo that offered up speculation on why HP bought Samsung. Here's my takeaways: Patents, more than 6,500 of them 1,500 world class engineers The eventual replacement of all canon marking engines with Samsung Thus, as there was much hype about the purchase of Samsung, I don't think was for the laser based engines, but more for the patents, the engineers, and the laser engines for HP printers. In addition, HP will now...
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Re: Will H.P. Uber the Imaging Channel
This is a great article! One point that I disagree on is that HP will be entering the SMB market with this acquisition. What's the point? Dealers own the SMB market, and most dealers will sell whatever their customers already have. Where HP has the advantage is going into their national and global accounts where they dominate with MPS contracts on A4 devices. Finally, they can go back to the banks/governments/etc and kick out the Canon/Ricoh/Xerox A3 devices that are in there. And because HP...
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Re: Imaging Channel, Let's Become the Innovation Channel!!
Ray Good stuff, however when discussing imaging (which is a wide portfolio of devices), everyone seems to forget about the huge growth of niche imaging devices. Those devices include wide format, grand wide format, label presses, and envelope presses. While in Las Vegas in the spring of this year, I was able to attend the ISA Sign Expo. I've been to a lot of events in the past year and the ISA was the largest event I every attended. Two hundred thousand square feet of convention space with...
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Re: To Ricoh "What I Want for Christmas in 2017"
How abt seg 1 doc feeder that isn't a piece of crap.
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Re: To Ricoh "What I Want for Christmas in 2017"
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Re: To Ricoh "What I Want for Christmas in 2017"
Hello, We are interested in advertising on your website. Could someone send me a media kit? Thank you, Jennifer
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Re: To Ricoh "What I Want for Christmas in 2017"
Hi Thank you, I will send this to you over the weekend Art
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Re: To Ricoh "What I Want for Christmas in 2017"
I TRIPLE-dog-dare ya to deliver WIndows package-aware print drivers for Fiery. Please!
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Re: To Ricoh "What I Want for Christmas in 2017"
awesome! So what is Windows package-aware print drivers for Fiery?
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Re: Konica Minolta Acquires More Than Just Copier Dealers
Muratec Dealers should also be in a good place. I just spoke to my rep who was in the meeting this afternoon and he said we should now have full access to everything Konica - production print, wide format, IT etc. Im pumped about this
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Re: Three Ways to Protect Your Ricoh Wide Format Plotters
Most Ricoh wide format devices have a built in dehumidifier. The switch is on the side.
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Re: Three Ways to Protect Your Ricoh Wide Format Plotters
yup, and I believe it is for the drum. Thanks for the comment!
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Re: New Ricoh MP C401 C401SR Spec Review
We bought one of the C300 when they were clearing them out and imagine my surprise to learn we also had to put toner in it! All the other printer based models come with starter cartridges. Anyway, the toner cost more than the fricken machine!!
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh
Have to remind customer of your long term involvement vs. price. Usually the differentiator...
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh
Price , as an objection has always been challenging. I use to spread difference over 5 yrs then load up on advantages which I could offer. Sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't. You seem to be seasoned at this. If significant enough I brought DSM from Mfgr. That helped me get customers attn.. Usually mentioned to prospect longevity of rep from dealer vs. transition of direct contact if that helps. Let me know how you make out.. Again best wishes. What state are you in?
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh
We're in Illinois. I have brought in my DSM/DBM and a Ricoh Solutions specialist when necessary didn't help in the last instance. When we see Xerox selling off the state contract they usually sell at below our US Communities cost. This is a broke ass state and price is often the only "value" they care about.Originally Posted by Larry Kirsch: Price , as an objection has always been challenging. I use to spread difference over 5 yrs then load up on advantages which I could offer. Sometimes it...
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Re: Print4Pay Hotel Enjoys a Day @ Ethos Technologies
Art, I have also been in the industry for many years…Jan. 1983. Working on Savin Liquid Toner machines. It would be interesting to see the presentation that you have put together to compare the information that you put together here with what goes on in my world in Illinois. Jeff
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Re: HP should Buy Xerox
Appreciate the comments. However, your arguments regarding A4 vs. A3 pertain to what’s good for you. Industries which are going through disruption or when an industry’s particular product or its services become less valuable to those once dependent on them. The disease of Product-Centric thinking will infect those with a stubbornness to modify. It is not up to those who sell a product or service to determine its value. Its value is determined by those who buy the product or service.
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Re: HP should Buy Xerox
In 2016, Apex Technologies (now NineStar Corporation) purchased Lexmark at a 17% premium above its share price. In the background, the Chinese gov't had purchased a 5% stake in Apex (at that time a relatively small and unknown maker of 3rd party toner and inkjet cartridges). In fact, Lexmark sued Apex for for at least 15 patent violations. Via what is known as the IC Fund, the Chinese gov't is supporting its technology companies with the goal of of advancing China's, "Made in China 2025", a...
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Re: HP should Buy Xerox
There is little to no margin in A4. Folks who want those products are just going to buy on-line. Let them. Best bet is focus on areas where you can still make money. Let other people chase the race to the bottom stuff.
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Re: HP should Buy Xerox
I do understand where you are coming from in terms of your data that A4 MFPs are destined to displace A3 copiers at an accelerating rate. I also agree that A3 copiers vendors need to step up their game in terms of IT support and capabilities. A3 vendors still hold a couple of cards that IT centric print resellers do not have. 1). Feet on the street, experienced outside sales reps who can make 20 cold calls a day. We are in the B2B business which to some people means belly to belly 2).
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
Will somebody please explain to me how you can offer unlimited prints at a fixed price, when your cost varies with the actual volume of prints? The only way flat rate is possible is the fact that print is declining, and you use that as a smoke screen. Flat rate is, as I understand it, like leasing or selling a car to a customer with free limitless gas and miles at a fixed monthly price. Obviosly you have to have escape doors in your t&c's - my customers will find out right away. When we...
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
I was hoping some one could chime on this. Let me see if I can get Ray's attention on this
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
Anders good questions. Flat Rate billing is simply a billing method. The most vital component is understanding cost. Our industry has known customer volumes for decades. We also know it’s declining. Customers’ will not change printing behaviors based on billing. Obviously, each dealer will determine their T&C. The smart ones will focus on controlling cost of labor and increase their FCE, they will sell the right equipment in the right volume band, and they will understand the importance...
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Re: HP should Buy Xerox
I am interested in your thoughts and data points that can confirm or deny that Lexmark OEM toner and OEM imaging unit yields tend to be, in the real world, often well below expected stated volumes. A real profit killer in cpc and MPS contracts.
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Re: The Day After The Last Selling Day of the Quarter for Copier Reps
I just did the same thing myself. Thursday I sat and cleaned my office, purged a bunch of old junk I didn't need and reorganized some files etc. Friday I had two meetings, one to write up an order, and the second for a large format and an MFP. After that I decided I was going to go sit by the pool, relax and recharge. And of course since we aren't 9-5 people I am now back to doing work on Saturday morning. Happy 4th everyone!
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Re: Who's Afraid of the Epson WorkForce C20590 100ppm MFP?
@printguy @Art Post We have not sold a single one yet. Most people seem to have no interest in ink. I like the product. It is a Kyocera finisher. The problem with the finisher is that it slows the machine down to half speed. So ultimately someone is getting a 50ppm system, not a 100ppm if you have the finisher. Space is an issue if you have the finisher. I talk about the product to everyone but most people revert back to a toner system. I don't think this is going to be a game changer as...
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Re: New "E" Size Wide Format Exit Tray for Ricoh Wide Format from Copier Solution Shop
Currently Copier Solution Shop doesn't have Solutions for Ricoh's Wide-format Color-range. Depending on requirements form the market, we develop whatever is needed, as long as there is a commercial bases for it. The example of this Output Tray, that was initiated by Art Post, shows that the US market is contributing in the development of new products! After developing this specific product for Art, Ricoh Europe also showed interest and they are considering to add it to their European...
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Re: Do Black & White Copiers Really Exist?
Um, you can use the Positive/Negative setting and it reverses the "colors" of black and white. I know,I know, still not copying/printing in white toner! ;-)
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Re: WHOA!! You Need to Check Out National AZON!
Art, you're right. National Azon is a great asset to us as reps to hit the AEC vertical. In addition they also sell just stand alone large format scanners. I worked with them (but didn't win) on an opportunity at a state archive for scanning super old documents. The rep was super helpful and if it weren't for a prior relationship we would have won. Also, they offer a pretty robust media selection for wide format. We've got several customers we order media for from these guys. They have a...
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This Week in the Copier Industry 10 Years Ago, The First Week in January 2009
Ten years ago this week and what was on our minds? It was the Great Recession. I remember it all too well. Many of my accounts were in the AEC market, remember losing almost 30% of that business because of bankruptcies, companies closing and companies just buying their device once they came to the end of the lease. Hope I never have to go through that again! Enjoy the threads from ten year ago this week! Weekend Copier Notes from 1/4/09 Neal · 1/5/097:19 AM According to survey of printshops...