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Re: 57 Days of Selling "Day 29"
Hi Art, Google search for JerseyPlotters also on page 1 in Europe! Enjoy! Martin
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Re: It’s The End Of The Day With Ray! 2020 Who Will Educate Endusers
HI Ray and Happy New Year! The A4 Revolution will not happen until those A4 manufacturers provide A4 print devices with the A3 cost per page model along with advanced scanning and finishing. You're right that's there's only a small percentage of users that need 11x17. However 11x17 is only part of the picture with end users needs. Larger document feeders, and stapling is still a requirement in many offices. As you know we could debate this until 2021 or longer, but the end game is advanced...
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Re: 10 Ways to Close Net New Business #4 of #10
Just a short update in reference to the account I was speaking about. The IG came back with many additional questions today, asking if the cost per page could be lowered, the annual cost of the maintenance agreement, and the price of the system. I stated NO on all accounts. We had started with a 25ppm color A3 device and then moved to an A4 color device. They were not even happy with that price. In addition when they received all of the no's they asked about pre-owned or used. I then stated,...
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Re: Samsung Copier Million Page Test "A Tree Massacre"
Seems my Blog about the million page test was not that well received with Samsung. They complained to ENX Magazine who then pulled the blog off their site. Whatever happened to FREE Press? They were not happy that I pointed out that they used "x" amount of tree's for a 1980's type test! Since Samsung spends money with ENX, ENX pulled the blogs and is not posting any of my latest stuff. You know what, as far as I'm concerned we here this finance stuff about Sharp, Toshiba and none of the...
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Re: 6 Reasons Why Flat Rate Service Program Will Change the Copier Industry
Art, a terrific take on the changing forces in the business model of the industry. Moneyball has arrived in the imaging business.
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Re: 6 Reasons Why Flat Rate Service Program Will Change the Copier Industry
Thank you Tom, writing it brought back some awesome memories
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Re: Your Copier
Welcome back😀 https://www.p4photel.com/blog/...-the-copier-industry 6 Reasons Why Flat Rate aka One Rate Will Change the Copier Industry Art Post 36 minutes ago I remember when plain paper copiers used rolls of paper and not sheets. I remember when the glass on the copiers had to move back and forth. I remember when copiers used liquid ink (toner) to produce an image. I remember when you used a dial to set how many copies you wanted to make. Yup, it's been a pretty incredible journey to see...
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Re: Is This the Beginning of the End for the Padding of Lease Rates?
Here is a report from leasingnews.org. One of their legal editors is doing a three part review of this legislation. Leasing News Exclusive: State Senator Steven Glazer and the genesis of CA SB 1235 (Part 1 of 3) By Tom McCurnin Leasing News Legal Editor This is important not only if you are doing commercial business in California, but this may affect other states. If you are new to this, here is legislation passed both the assembly and senate, awaiting California Governor Jerry Brown’s...
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Re: Is This the Beginning of the End for the Padding of Lease Rates?
from today's Leasing News. Ralph Petta Reaction to Tom McCurnin's "Is the Disclosure Too Complicated? of SB 1235" [ http://leasingnews.org/hires/petta_ralph2018.jpg ] From: Ralph Petta President and CEO Equipment Leasing and Finance Association 1625 Eye Street, NW * Suite 850 Washington, DC 20006 "Allow me to take exception and set the record straight with respect to Mr. McCurnin's statement in his September 21 article(1) about passage of disclosure legislation in California, SB 1235 that...
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Re: The A4 Challenge or Opportunity
In my experience A4 machines are as much or even more hassle than an A3 machine to install and train which I do myself for the customer but my income off of the sale of the A4 device is a fraction of what it would have been had I sold an A3. Beyond that most A4 machines lack a document feeder built to handle the page volumes of walk up copying and scanning my customers do. At the end of the day I have to make a living so I spend my time on A3 opportunities.
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Re: Best Black & White MFP for 10k/month yeild. Suggestions?
TimB: Thanx for the comment! I believe you with the top ten in R & D for Spend to Sales ratios, but I don't R & D being conducted for copiers not like Canon, Xerox, KonicaMInolta & Xerox. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it must be a duck. Toshiba's market share over the last ten years in the US has always been at or near the bottom of the pack, thus they are cellar dwellers, bottom feeders, in the US market. You are correct with the MA, they were not asking for...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
What came next with some dealers in the Oz market, was a guarantee that the client's copy costs would not rise annually, above a maximum of 10% which most clients would agree to. Or that it would only rise by the CPI, which these days is a joke of a deal, as it is only around 2%. But some now guarantee to hold the pricing for the term of the rental agreement, which at 5 years is just down right stupid.This has now become a lot more prevalent, as weak salesmen sell (if you can call it...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
Wallingford Thanx for this! From your thread I can tell we all have most of the same issues. Anyone else care to help with their first experience with CPC?
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
I've only been around 9 years, but when I first started, we were selling the old Ricoh AP3800CMF (A3 color printer w/ a scanner kit attached to make it an MFP) since the 1224c/1232c was such a bust. In our Service Agreements, black toner was included in the CPP, but color toner was billable. When trying to get those customers to upgrade to the 2238c, I would create a cost per page analysis (since toner was included in our CPP for the 2238c) and had several furious customers who thought we...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
I remember it well and at ComDoc, in the early 80's we sometimes put the offer out there without it being a formal price plan. I think the customer realized that a lot of the toner they purchased and stocked was useless at end of the machines life. It was like a primer with a customer who had that and TCO on their mind, it was a way to close them. Equally, I remember taking it one step further in the early 90's with copy management - the first all inclusive (hardware, service, supplies)...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
I remember a plan that didn't really take hold but it was a plan like the one John talked about and all accessories were proposed in the form of copies...you want a finisher, just commit to 10,000 additional copies per month. The CPC rate had an equipment portion attached to it so more clicks funded more equipment. If the CPC was normal plus .003, 10,000 clicks added $30/month which would fund $1,500 additional. Some customers that weren't willing to pay $1,500 would agree to 10,000 more...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
Wow! These are some awesome stories, I'm sure there are many more out there from some of our veterans, would love to read more.
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Re: 8 Talking Points for Selecting an Imaging/Copier Vendor
Hey Art, can I use this? You offer some terrific points that I would like to get out to my network. I would be happy, of course, to source you and your blog/website as the author. I would post to my company FB page and to my LinkedIn page as well. kathie
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Re: 8 Talking Points for Selecting an Imaging/Copier Vendor
No problem, please feel free and credits would be awesome! Just double check my grammar.
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Re: 8 Talking Points for Selecting an Imaging/Copier Vendor
Art Some very good points here, for both a buyer and seller. So often a seller is focused on one aspect of the deal with others being and economic time bomb. I think offering the professional "bowing out" of a price deal is necessary to consider, as just when you think prices couldn't get lower, they do. Taking an approach towards a true, mutually beneficial deal will either get appreciated, or get your on your way towards finding one.
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Re: 8 Talking Points for Selecting an Imaging/Copier Vendor
I am helping a dealer set up a new webpage. I have read that helpful tips like the above help Search Engine Optimization (SEO) drive more traffic to your website. I will attach the same and use P4P as a reference.
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Re: 8 Talking Points for Selecting an Imaging/Copier Vendor
Art, ballsy on declining to propose. Love it!
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Re: 8 Talking Points for Selecting an Imaging/Copier Vendor
There were few misspelling but I’m trying to become more forgiving. : )
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Re: 5 Questions for HP about the Acquisition of Samsung Printer Business Unit
I had the time at lunch today to listen to a recorded webex meeting from Photizo that offered up speculation on why HP bought Samsung. Here's my takeaways: Patents, more than 6,500 of them 1,500 world class engineers The eventual replacement of all canon marking engines with Samsung Thus, as there was much hype about the purchase of Samsung, I don't think was for the laser based engines, but more for the patents, the engineers, and the laser engines for HP printers. In addition, HP will now...
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Re: Inbound Marketing For Sales Reps (and Sales Vets)
Czech Good stuff! I'm a novice when it comes to SEO. From my own experience I can tell you that I receive leads from blogging, not a tremendous amount but at least six a year. But blogging on a regular basis with original content on the P4P hotel has skyrocketed the page views, and the site is averaging 25 new members each month. The new members I guess we can call that the conversions that I'm looking for. At the end of last July, which was the first month of this new site, there were 129k...
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Re: Selling Copiers "What Would You Do"?
Hi Art, Even if you could convince him by offering a different model, some sort of guarantee or whatever, the question you should ask yourself is what happens if the problems return. Would you really want to have that standing between you and your cousin?
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Re: Selling Copiers "What Would You Do"?
Originally Posted by Iris: Hi Art, Even if you could convince him by offering a different model, some sort of guarantee or whatever, the question you should ask yourself is what happens if the problems return. Would you really want to have that standing between you and your cousin? Iris Exactly! The point is they are limited to only one dealer for one brand and the scenario isn't going to work. Thus, what is a sales person to do? I'm not going to try to convince him that all will be well...
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Re: Color Cost Per Page Poll for Segment 3 (produce 31 to 40 pages)
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Re: "MFP Wars" Hi Speed A3 MFP's vs A4 MFP's
Art, one of the problems is dealers servicing a machine for $30.00 a month. however, the reality is the industry has allowed the sales engine to destroy the service model. selling full service on A3 for .006 or less in volumes of 5k a month. Dealers were chasing sales revenue as they sacrificed service profits. As volumes continue declining so will margins. Dealers will begin realizing that all the A3 service they gave away is too costly to manage and the shift will begin. The A4...
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Re: "MFP Wars" Hi Speed A3 MFP's vs A4 MFP's
Hi Ray I agree with the silliness of the low cost per page for A3. However most dealers have escalators that can raise the price as much as 10-15% per year whether it's A4 or A3. AS far as the $30 per month, almost no one will send out and invoice for $30 It's either billed quarterly or annually. One thing the A4 manufacturers won't due is too sacrifice the consumables. I also believe that dealers will always find a way to make their profit, whether it's Daas, flat rate, or seat based. I...
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Re: Leasing Companies are not Exempt from Changes
Wow - that was quite the read. While there are a few details that I have a differing opinion on, I cannot agree more with Ray on the the fact that change is coming and the Leasing industry has not choice but to change with it. The question is not "will leasing companies change", but how much will they change and how much will they be able to change within their existing framework. Many of these leasing companies are part of larger banking organizations and will the regulatory and legal...
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Re: Leasing Companies are not Exempt from Changes
Thanks for commenting the first step to change is the ability to discuss why you should. As all of know change is usually a forced reaction unfortunately. I would say that the real disruptions to any deliverable are those which come from new places. too many see their competitors as someone like them. Today we all need to look in new places. Regarding Quicken I believe the mass market they attract are not 800 plus credit scores. The interest paid by end-users doesn't need to necessary be...
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Re: HP should Buy Xerox
Appreciate the comments. However, your arguments regarding A4 vs. A3 pertain to what’s good for you. Industries which are going through disruption or when an industry’s particular product or its services become less valuable to those once dependent on them. The disease of Product-Centric thinking will infect those with a stubbornness to modify. It is not up to those who sell a product or service to determine its value. Its value is determined by those who buy the product or service.
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Re: HP should Buy Xerox
There is little to no margin in A4. Folks who want those products are just going to buy on-line. Let them. Best bet is focus on areas where you can still make money. Let other people chase the race to the bottom stuff.
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Re: HP should Buy Xerox
It’s about the realities of data. Over 80% of the current A3 placements fit into the volumes you discuss. The facts in the data also show that A3 equipment takes three service interactions to only one service interaction on A4 running comparable volumes. All dealers need to reach out to BEI Services and understand the realities of the total service cost, especially as DaaS becomes the new billing model. In the near future, the customers will have new options more than likely which will come...
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Re: HP should Buy Xerox
I do understand where you are coming from in terms of your data that A4 MFPs are destined to displace A3 copiers at an accelerating rate. I also agree that A3 copiers vendors need to step up their game in terms of IT support and capabilities. A3 vendors still hold a couple of cards that IT centric print resellers do not have. 1). Feet on the street, experienced outside sales reps who can make 20 cold calls a day. We are in the B2B business which to some people means belly to belly 2).
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
Wes also stated that early adopters will see greater profits with flat rate billing. Laggards will get in last and see the least amount of profit. Your statement about flat rate billing on RFPs will be more frequent in 2019. I receive many copier RF's Ill have to read them more closely to see if the flat rate is in the t's & c's
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
Will somebody please explain to me how you can offer unlimited prints at a fixed price, when your cost varies with the actual volume of prints? The only way flat rate is possible is the fact that print is declining, and you use that as a smoke screen. Flat rate is, as I understand it, like leasing or selling a car to a customer with free limitless gas and miles at a fixed monthly price. Obviosly you have to have escape doors in your t&c's - my customers will find out right away. When we...
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
I was hoping some one could chime on this. Let me see if I can get Ray's attention on this
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
Anders good questions. Flat Rate billing is simply a billing method. The most vital component is understanding cost. Our industry has known customer volumes for decades. We also know it’s declining. Customers’ will not change printing behaviors based on billing. Obviously, each dealer will determine their T&C. The smart ones will focus on controlling cost of labor and increase their FCE, they will sell the right equipment in the right volume band, and they will understand the importance...
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
I believe it's location, location,location. What is usually hot in the city is not always taken up as practice in rural areas. With the help of units being able to email meter reads it removes the "annoying" part of collection meter reads. I am with the first guy as I am a long timer(35 years) and agree with his assessment
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
Well, I am old timer too my friend. However, I learned along time ago geography does not stop progress. The new competitor who comes to the rural landscape won't deliver by the rules of the old way. I would image back when C.P.C took the place of the previous contract type. Many in the rural areas thought well, that will never happen out here. Well it did.
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
Thanks for commenting I am not worried about labor, I am more worried about consumables and yield parts. Our mif (mostly SMB) is producing less b/w and more color. And we have many customers who has outsourced large print jobs - fx. real estate agents who prints flyers. I am sure that they would bring that back home if the only cost is time and paper. So, some may change their behavior. Collecting counters is not a big deal any more - we are a Ricoh reseller (since 1980!) - and most of the...
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
The difference in our iDaaS model is that volume DOES impact cost. Other flat rate model offer a rate with no impact on volume. Our program uses the current customer volume, service efficiency, margin expectations as well as our data on over 4 million devices to help remove the variables and concerns over switching to a no meter billing model. We can also adjust for color ratio's. So with the possible exception of print for pay, production and maybe some schools there is no reason not to...
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Re: Who's Afraid of the Epson WorkForce C20590 100ppm MFP?
Thanks for the info @Jason H . That's unfortunate, however I get the aversion to ink. Looking at this product it appeared Epson had perfected it. However I don't think I could sell a copier that has a huge paper curl. I never thought it would have a page curl as there is no fuser.
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Re: Who's Afraid of the Epson WorkForce C20590 100ppm MFP?
I think the part of the problem is even though the ink is dry, it has a moist feeling to it. When it drops off into the trays there is a hump (see pic) that the paper drops out on. I think that is part of the problem with the curl. The prints look good and once I lay the paper out on a desk it flattens out but in my opinion it just does not demo well with regular paper.
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Re: How One Simple (Smart Phone/Tablet) Print App Can Help You Close More Orders!
sounds like a great tool in the right hands. Thanks looking forward to the meeting,,,
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Re: How One Simple (Smart Phone/Tablet) Print App Can Help You Close More Orders!
Art, once the app is downloaded, how do you get login information. Is this a software as a service? Is there a monthly fee? Thanks!
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Re: How One Simple (Smart Phone/Tablet) Print App Can Help You Close More Orders!
There is a monthly fee, sign up for the webinar for the 9th or the 15th of February please, here is the link https://www.p4photel.com/calendar
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Selling Copiers "The Rep that BS's the Prospect"
I apologize for not being able to write as much as I usually do. December was a rather busy month, in fact the busiest December in years. Cheers to that! It all started a few weeks ago when received a lead (yippee) that was labeled "looking to lease a printer" . I wasn't excited about the word "printer". However, a lead is a lead and follow up has to be immediate when you get a new lead. The Call I was able to connect with the prospect that day on the phone. I was asked if I sold Canon, I...