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Re: 57 Days of Selling "Day 29"
Hi Art, Google search for JerseyPlotters also on page 1 in Europe! Enjoy! Martin
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Re: It’s The End Of The Day With Ray! 2020 Who Will Educate Endusers
HI Ray and Happy New Year! The A4 Revolution will not happen until those A4 manufacturers provide A4 print devices with the A3 cost per page model along with advanced scanning and finishing. You're right that's there's only a small percentage of users that need 11x17. However 11x17 is only part of the picture with end users needs. Larger document feeders, and stapling is still a requirement in many offices. As you know we could debate this until 2021 or longer, but the end game is advanced...
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Re: 7 Deadly Topics from 7 Deadly Sinners at Top 100 Summit (Part One)
I disagree that you have to own the network in order to offer seat-based billing. Before I go into why, can we (imaging industry) please stop referring to Managed Services as MNS? No one in the IT world uses this term; it's industry jargon that makes you stand out as a copier dealer 1st and an IT Services provider 2nd. Managed IT Services, Managed Services...fine. MNS needs to die. Now, here is why I disagree that you have to own the network as a client's Managed Services provider in order...
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Re: 7 Deadly Topics from 7 Deadly Sinners at Top 100 Summit (Part One)
Originally Posted by txeagle24: I disagree that you have to own the network in order to offer seat-based billing. Before I go into why, can we (imaging industry) please stop referring to Managed Services as MNS? No one in the IT world uses this term; it's industry jargon that makes you stand out as a copier dealer 1st and an IT Services provider 2nd. Managed IT Services, Managed Services...fine. MNS needs to die. Now, here is why I disagree that you have to own the network as a client's...
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Re: 10 Ways to Close Net New Business #4 of #10
Just a short update in reference to the account I was speaking about. The IG came back with many additional questions today, asking if the cost per page could be lowered, the annual cost of the maintenance agreement, and the price of the system. I stated NO on all accounts. We had started with a 25ppm color A3 device and then moved to an A4 color device. They were not even happy with that price. In addition when they received all of the no's they asked about pre-owned or used. I then stated,...
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Re: When is Net New Business not Net New Business?
Interesting perspective. We constantly have the talks about competitive machines we took on service, especially brands we don't carry. I tend to consider is taking a Konica on service and then a year or two later upgrading it to our equipment net new business from the sales side. Obviously we had net new business on the service side but not net new for "x" with the equipment sale. I'd be interested to hear how others see this. I hear a lot of people say it doesn't matter but if I bring a...
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Re: When is Net New Business not Net New Business?
Jay, We typically go after about any machine other than a Xerox. If someone wants us to service their machine and its not a complete piece of junk we will take it on and will get parts and supplies from dealers etc. until we can upgrade to one of our lines; Savin, Canon, or Samsung. We expect our reps to go out and take service agreements and we pay them the first months billing. Most don't like to mess with 30.00 agreements but they add up and eventually you find a big one. We had a rep who...
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Re: Samsung Copier Million Page Test "A Tree Massacre"
Seems my Blog about the million page test was not that well received with Samsung. They complained to ENX Magazine who then pulled the blog off their site. Whatever happened to FREE Press? They were not happy that I pointed out that they used "x" amount of tree's for a 1980's type test! Since Samsung spends money with ENX, ENX pulled the blogs and is not posting any of my latest stuff. You know what, as far as I'm concerned we here this finance stuff about Sharp, Toshiba and none of the...
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Re: Your Copier
Welcome back😀 https://www.p4photel.com/blog/...-the-copier-industry 6 Reasons Why Flat Rate aka One Rate Will Change the Copier Industry Art Post 36 minutes ago I remember when plain paper copiers used rolls of paper and not sheets. I remember when the glass on the copiers had to move back and forth. I remember when copiers used liquid ink (toner) to produce an image. I remember when you used a dial to set how many copies you wanted to make. Yup, it's been a pretty incredible journey to see...
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Re: Five Reasons Why I'm Stoked About the New Ricoh SP8400DN Printer
No, we are not doing any of those agreements with our MFP's. With the printer the device billing would not include the drum, or fuser. Client would pay for those. Device billing is a practical maintenance agreement for the new A3 ink based MFP's. Epson will be launching their 100ppm color device shortly. The only consumables is the print head and the ink. It's rumored that the print head will be warranted for 3 years. In addition the print head is very costly. The idea would be to charge...
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Re: Five Reasons Why I'm Stoked About the New Ricoh SP8400DN Printer
Thanks. Interesting. I wonder what the advantages and disadvantages of those ink jets are (compared to laser MFP).
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Re: Five Reasons Why I'm Stoked About the New Ricoh SP8400DN Printer
Interesting, I thought jh told me the cost was 2,500 per year. I was like what? Can you find out exactly that that cost is. I'm curious as I guess we all are
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Re: Five Reasons Why I'm Stoked About the New Ricoh SP8400DN Printer
I guess he was just referring to the Epson C869R (25 ppm). We kept asking questions about the 100 ppm unit and I lost track which unit this information applied to. Sorry for the confusion. We have a launch on the 11th and he promised more info on the 100 ppm at that time.
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Re: Copier Parts & Accessories China Tariff Starts in 9 Working Days
In a hint at what is to soon happen with tariffs on copiers/ printers from China headed to the USA, Harley Davidson Motorcycles announced today that it would shift some production headed for Europe to other global manufacturing facilities to avoid paying tariffs estimated at up to $2,200.00 per bike. It could take nine to 18 months to make this change. It also said that it would not increase prices to European dealers and would take a hit to profitability for the remainder of this year at...
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Re: Is This the Beginning of the End for the Padding of Lease Rates?
from today's Leasing News. Ralph Petta Reaction to Tom McCurnin's "Is the Disclosure Too Complicated? of SB 1235" [ http://leasingnews.org/hires/petta_ralph2018.jpg ] From: Ralph Petta President and CEO Equipment Leasing and Finance Association 1625 Eye Street, NW * Suite 850 Washington, DC 20006 "Allow me to take exception and set the record straight with respect to Mr. McCurnin's statement in his September 21 article(1) about passage of disclosure legislation in California, SB 1235 that...
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Re: A Few Copier Vignettes from the Late Eighties & Nineties
Art, You and I are from similar professional backgrounds and times. We started in 1980 selling Sharp and Juki typewriters. Everything sold near MSRP. Then the fax boom came and we caught that wave perfectly. We sold Ricoh thermal faxes for full list ($2995.00). The only issue was cash flow; we sold them faster than we could order and purchase them. Copier Maintenance agreements went from .022 up to .035 and did not include drums, developer, toner, fuser rollers or lamps! Also, like your...
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Re: A Few Copier Vignettes from the Late Eighties & Nineties
Yup we have the same issues with cash flow. It was a great problem to have. The Hunt for Red October was a great book, even found the movie awesome too! Ty for the comment, we should connect for lunch one day
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Re: The A4 Challenge or Opportunity
In my experience A4 machines are as much or even more hassle than an A3 machine to install and train which I do myself for the customer but my income off of the sale of the A4 device is a fraction of what it would have been had I sold an A3. Beyond that most A4 machines lack a document feeder built to handle the page volumes of walk up copying and scanning my customers do. At the end of the day I have to make a living so I spend my time on A3 opportunities.
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Re: Best Black & White MFP for 10k/month yeild. Suggestions?
TimB: Thanx for the comment! I believe you with the top ten in R & D for Spend to Sales ratios, but I don't R & D being conducted for copiers not like Canon, Xerox, KonicaMInolta & Xerox. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it must be a duck. Toshiba's market share over the last ten years in the US has always been at or near the bottom of the pack, thus they are cellar dwellers, bottom feeders, in the US market. You are correct with the MA, they were not asking for...
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Re: Ricoh MP C3003/3503/4503/5505 & 6003 Scanner Review
Another thing all of these new machines including the 6502 and 8100 have is an insanely fast ADF, 120 sheets per minute or 240 images per minute duplex. Everyone that sees these comments how fast the ADF is.
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
What came next with some dealers in the Oz market, was a guarantee that the client's copy costs would not rise annually, above a maximum of 10% which most clients would agree to. Or that it would only rise by the CPI, which these days is a joke of a deal, as it is only around 2%. But some now guarantee to hold the pricing for the term of the rental agreement, which at 5 years is just down right stupid.This has now become a lot more prevalent, as weak salesmen sell (if you can call it...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
Wallingford Thanx for this! From your thread I can tell we all have most of the same issues. Anyone else care to help with their first experience with CPC?
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
I've only been around 9 years, but when I first started, we were selling the old Ricoh AP3800CMF (A3 color printer w/ a scanner kit attached to make it an MFP) since the 1224c/1232c was such a bust. In our Service Agreements, black toner was included in the CPP, but color toner was billable. When trying to get those customers to upgrade to the 2238c, I would create a cost per page analysis (since toner was included in our CPP for the 2238c) and had several furious customers who thought we...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
I remember it well and at ComDoc, in the early 80's we sometimes put the offer out there without it being a formal price plan. I think the customer realized that a lot of the toner they purchased and stocked was useless at end of the machines life. It was like a primer with a customer who had that and TCO on their mind, it was a way to close them. Equally, I remember taking it one step further in the early 90's with copy management - the first all inclusive (hardware, service, supplies)...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
I remember a plan that didn't really take hold but it was a plan like the one John talked about and all accessories were proposed in the form of copies...you want a finisher, just commit to 10,000 additional copies per month. The CPC rate had an equipment portion attached to it so more clicks funded more equipment. If the CPC was normal plus .003, 10,000 clicks added $30/month which would fund $1,500 additional. Some customers that weren't willing to pay $1,500 would agree to 10,000 more...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?
Wow! These are some awesome stories, I'm sure there are many more out there from some of our veterans, would love to read more.
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Re: 8 Talking Points for Selecting an Imaging/Copier Vendor
Hey Art, can I use this? You offer some terrific points that I would like to get out to my network. I would be happy, of course, to source you and your blog/website as the author. I would post to my company FB page and to my LinkedIn page as well. kathie
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Re: 8 Talking Points for Selecting an Imaging/Copier Vendor
No problem, please feel free and credits would be awesome! Just double check my grammar.
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Re: 8 Talking Points for Selecting an Imaging/Copier Vendor
Art Some very good points here, for both a buyer and seller. So often a seller is focused on one aspect of the deal with others being and economic time bomb. I think offering the professional "bowing out" of a price deal is necessary to consider, as just when you think prices couldn't get lower, they do. Taking an approach towards a true, mutually beneficial deal will either get appreciated, or get your on your way towards finding one.
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Re: 8 Talking Points for Selecting an Imaging/Copier Vendor
I am helping a dealer set up a new webpage. I have read that helpful tips like the above help Search Engine Optimization (SEO) drive more traffic to your website. I will attach the same and use P4P as a reference.
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Re: 8 Talking Points for Selecting an Imaging/Copier Vendor
Art, ballsy on declining to propose. Love it!
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Re: 8 Talking Points for Selecting an Imaging/Copier Vendor
There were few misspelling but I’m trying to become more forgiving. : )
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Re: 3 Ways Getting Involved In Community Service Can Help Copier Sales Reps Enhance Their Sales Success
If you want to sell $500K per year, then join your local chamber of commerce, however if you really want to sell one million or more, the join those high profile charities in your geo area. Get involved, donate time and knowledge, within a year or less you'll be rubbing elbows with the most influential "C" level execs in your area. TY Larry, you took the words right outta my mouth on this one!
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Re: Ricoh MP 305SP & MP 305SPF "Coming to America"
perfect system for AEC market, that needs low volume 3-6K per month with the need to print & scan occasional 11x17, and also has a space issue.
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Re: 5 Questions for HP about the Acquisition of Samsung Printer Business Unit
I had the time at lunch today to listen to a recorded webex meeting from Photizo that offered up speculation on why HP bought Samsung. Here's my takeaways: Patents, more than 6,500 of them 1,500 world class engineers The eventual replacement of all canon marking engines with Samsung Thus, as there was much hype about the purchase of Samsung, I don't think was for the laser based engines, but more for the patents, the engineers, and the laser engines for HP printers. In addition, HP will now...
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Re: Top Ten Copier & Imaging Industry Predictions for 2018
11a. For 2018 the total A4/A3 print volume (compared to 2017) will reduce with 10% 11b. For the coming 10 years the total A4/A3 print volume will reduce with 10% per year and will (in 2027) only be 35% of the current volume
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Re: Inbound Marketing For Sales Reps (and Sales Vets)
Hey Greg, Absolutely. My only rebuttal is that the word content is so subjective. Do you write lengthy, 1000+ word articles, or do you focus on writing shorter articles you can post 2-3 times per day? For SEO purposes, either can boost your ranking in Google. The golden rule of SEO is that Google rewards good, original content. Black hat SEO will boost your rankings in the short term, but eventually Google's algorithms will catch on and punish your ranking. On the flip side of content,...
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Re: Inbound Marketing For Sales Reps (and Sales Vets)
Czech Good stuff! I'm a novice when it comes to SEO. From my own experience I can tell you that I receive leads from blogging, not a tremendous amount but at least six a year. But blogging on a regular basis with original content on the P4P hotel has skyrocketed the page views, and the site is averaging 25 new members each month. The new members I guess we can call that the conversions that I'm looking for. At the end of last July, which was the first month of this new site, there were 129k...
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Re: Selling Professional Services for SMB Accounts, Worth it or Not Worth it!
interesting...on no commissions for pro-services. What have you seen for the price per hour of Pro-Services from the National Vendors (direct)? Thus what happens when you have almost no margins in a workflow solution? With me, there was only $200 from cost to MSRP with a workflow solution, are you then selling over MSRP?
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Re: Color Cost Per Page Poll for Segment 3 (produce 31 to 40 pages)
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Re: "MFP Wars" Hi Speed A3 MFP's vs A4 MFP's
Hi Ray I agree with the silliness of the low cost per page for A3. However most dealers have escalators that can raise the price as much as 10-15% per year whether it's A4 or A3. AS far as the $30 per month, almost no one will send out and invoice for $30 It's either billed quarterly or annually. One thing the A4 manufacturers won't due is too sacrifice the consumables. I also believe that dealers will always find a way to make their profit, whether it's Daas, flat rate, or seat based. I...
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Re: Leasing Companies are not Exempt from Changes
Wow - that was quite the read. While there are a few details that I have a differing opinion on, I cannot agree more with Ray on the the fact that change is coming and the Leasing industry has not choice but to change with it. The question is not "will leasing companies change", but how much will they change and how much will they be able to change within their existing framework. Many of these leasing companies are part of larger banking organizations and will the regulatory and legal...
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Re: Leasing Companies are not Exempt from Changes
Thanks for commenting the first step to change is the ability to discuss why you should. As all of know change is usually a forced reaction unfortunately. I would say that the real disruptions to any deliverable are those which come from new places. too many see their competitors as someone like them. Today we all need to look in new places. Regarding Quicken I believe the mass market they attract are not 800 plus credit scores. The interest paid by end-users doesn't need to necessary be...
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Re: Xerox, HP, Fuji Film, Fuji Xerox "It Just Keeps Getting Curiouser & Curiouser"
Fuji might be the modern version of Konica’s Ikon CPP500 & Danka. What’s old could be new again. But don’t worry, according to all the naysayers, the industry has been dead since copy machines were taught how to print, scan and fax. Yes that right, I said copy machines, not MFP,MFD, XDF or whatever kids are calling them these days. You wanna make $200k per year selling gear, come and move to Wisconsin and we’ll so you the path to what could be...
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Re: Xerox, HP, Fuji Film, Fuji Xerox "It Just Keeps Getting Curiouser & Curiouser"
@dimaxusa I agree what comes around goes around, will be interesting to see how things pan out. I'm having one of my best years in the business, however the last two months have been terrible. But I'm not ready to give it up, many more good years are still ahead of us
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Re: HP should Buy Xerox
I am beginning to realize that one of the best tools to use when offering a customer both an A3/ A4 proposal is a longer term lease. Many A4 devices begin to require expensive major parts replacements somewhere around 150k to 200k prints. An A4 product could be a great solution for a customer who on average will never make more than 2,500 colour or 3,500 black pages per month x60. To sell a more expensive A3 product into that same space consider offering a 72 month lease so as to get to a...
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Re: HP should Buy Xerox
It’s about the realities of data. Over 80% of the current A3 placements fit into the volumes you discuss. The facts in the data also show that A3 equipment takes three service interactions to only one service interaction on A4 running comparable volumes. All dealers need to reach out to BEI Services and understand the realities of the total service cost, especially as DaaS becomes the new billing model. In the near future, the customers will have new options more than likely which will come...
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
Wes also stated that early adopters will see greater profits with flat rate billing. Laggards will get in last and see the least amount of profit. Your statement about flat rate billing on RFPs will be more frequent in 2019. I receive many copier RF's Ill have to read them more closely to see if the flat rate is in the t's & c's
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
Will somebody please explain to me how you can offer unlimited prints at a fixed price, when your cost varies with the actual volume of prints? The only way flat rate is possible is the fact that print is declining, and you use that as a smoke screen. Flat rate is, as I understand it, like leasing or selling a car to a customer with free limitless gas and miles at a fixed monthly price. Obviosly you have to have escape doors in your t&c's - my customers will find out right away. When we...
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Re: Imaging Channel, 2019 the year of DaaS - My suggestions to help you Implement.
I was hoping some one could chime on this. Let me see if I can get Ray's attention on this